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Women, Connected Again

Good gosh, guys! Yesterday and Friday I was running a mega-fever which left me with no recourse but to stay in bed and watch S4 of Buffy all day between naps. Then today I wake up and BOOM! Better! What a bizarrely strange and fortuitous recovery.

I have been trying for the past week to get this finished up, but various scholastic and health impediments kept...um...impeding me. But I'm taking advantage of my non-fevered state to get it all finished up.

Thanks to some feedback on my Women, Connected post, I have a couple things for you. For one, I realized - as I knew I would - that some characters were left off the originals that shouldn't have been. Chantarelle/Lily/Anne, Olivia, the individual potentials, among others. I wanted to add those ladies in.

Also, someone said it would be interesting to see a similar chart for the male characters, and I agree. For comparative purposes. Does having such a female-heavy structure mean that the men's relationships get overlooked? Is this an either/or thing?

So, I got some new charts for you guys under ye old cut! :)

First, the revised ladies of BtVS. It became unwieldy to do in 800x600, so if you click on the image, it'll take you to a larger version.

And now, the men. Again, click the image to see the larger version.

The male characters aren't as centralized around one main character (such as Buffy or Willow), but the connections are quite numerous and intense. It is noteworthy that there are a good number of lone male characters without any connections to other guys, though.

To ensure I didn't overlook any character, I consulted good ol' Wikipedia's character list. Any character that was on that list and appeared in more than one episode made the cut. Wikipedia did list a few characters that were only present in one episode (such as Veruca or Cassie), but I felt I had to draw a line on the episode rule.

The connections were a bit more subjective. It's based on relationships, which can be difficult to gauge. However, I was pretty strict on that standard. An interaction does not equal a relationship. Olivia and Buffy interact once in The Freshman, but I don't feel that adds up to an actual relationship. We're trying to get away from the low standards of "Two women talked to each other! Yay!" to get at something more substantial.

However, I'm sure there'll be some disagreement on my assessments, especially when it comes to the line width (which indicates the intensity of the relationship). It happens. These are rough illustrations, as noted in the original post.

But let's see how Buffy stacks up to other shows! I used both Star Trek: TNG and Babylon 5 for comparison last time. I'm doing so again this time. Also, while I used Wikipedia for the characters, I'm going very much from memory for the relationships, so I claim only tenuous confidence in the accuracy. :)

The ladies of TNG:

As you can see, I'd missed some characters last time. As you can also see, they wouldn't have made much of a difference.

Now the men:

Yep. Onto the B5 ladies. Last time, I missed Anna Sheridan. So I just added her on this one:

And the men. Getting the characters was difficult as B5 has so many minor male characters coming and going. I limited it to the ones I have a fairly clear memory of. Which is still a good number.

There you go! I feel so much better now that I finally got that done. Whew!

Oh, and I don't hold ownership over the concept or anything. Feel free to make similar charts for other shows if you like. No need to credit. :)


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Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:31 pm (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the Picard-Q line thicker than the Picard-Riker line? :)

Glad you're feeling better!
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
It is. I tend to think Q had a way of getting under Picard's skin so that their relationship was much more intense than Picard and Riker's friendship. Also, Picard and Rikey never woke up in bed together. ;)
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:33 pm (UTC)
Awesomesauce. :D

Now let's make charts just for Spike! Yes, this was my exact thought when I saw Spike on the men's chart. I just thought it'd maybe be interesting to see his relationships presented in chart form.

Oh, oh, and Veruca was in more than one episode. Remember that one time she bumped shoulders with Oz and they gazed at each other intensely, recognizing their inner wolfiness? Yeah. That was clearly significant. Whoo daddy.
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC)
Also, I'm glad you're feeling better! Sounds like the fever got hot and heavy, but did it's job and you're all better. Yay for being better!
(no subject) - blackfrancine - Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:40 pm (UTC)
Mmmm, very interesting! If I had the time I'd totally make some for Torchwood and Doctor Who, although I think the former would have far more connections, just overall - DW has a tendency to do women one after the other, rather than at the same time. ETA: OTOH, then the Doctor has FAR more female companions than male, so the male chart would be pretty empty too...

Edited at 2010-10-03 09:14 pm (UTC)
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:22 pm (UTC)
The structure of the show will definitely affect the outcome of the chart. Dr. Who typically has a small cast at any one time, though they come in contact with a lot of one-shot characters. I don't know how effective this particular concept would be for such a show.
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:54 pm (UTC)
So much charts love on this page!!!

Glad you're strangely and fortuitously feeling better!!

Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:23 pm (UTC)
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
Nifty charts!

It's kind of making me think about male-female non-romantic relationships. Like, the complex webs mean that there's not a bunch of guys and The Girlfriends, if that makes sense. The fact that Giles has different, interesting, and non-romantic interactions with Buffy, Drusilla, and Anya (and the idea of Giles/Anya is pretty thoroughly lampooned in Tabula Rasa) is a step past a lot of shows on its own.

Glad you're doing better.
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:24 pm (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing. One of the pluses about BtVS is that it shows a variety of relationships, regardless of gender.
(no subject) - local_max - Oct. 3rd, 2010 10:30 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:03 pm (UTC)
Missed the first one, so this is really cool. And glad you're feeling better!

Maybe I'm being an idiot, though, but I can't for the life of me recognize the unconnected woman on the top left in the BtVS chart...?
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:11 pm (UTC)
That's Katrina! You need to hand in your Buffy Fan badge now.
(no subject) - beer_good_foamy - Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:15 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - gabrielleabelle - Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)
Buffy can heal anything. Trufax.
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
That's the conclusion I came to.
(no subject) - me_llamo_nic - Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:31 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:43 pm (UTC)
Data was the father of the bride at Miles' wedding and there's no connection between the two? /geek

In general though I love it!
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:44 pm (UTC)
Also: why no connection between Murk and Ben?
(no subject) - gabrielleabelle - Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:52 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - local_max - Oct. 3rd, 2010 10:39 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:04 pm (UTC)
Charts good, lines pretty. :)
Oct. 4th, 2010 01:19 am (UTC)
Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:57 pm (UTC)
I love these charts--but I'm going to go insane unless someone tells me who the woman in the top left corner of the Buffy Ladies chart is. I KNOW her. But I can't figure out who she is. Help me.
Oct. 4th, 2010 01:20 am (UTC)
Katrina! :)
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Oct. 4th, 2010 12:29 am (UTC)
Glad you're feeling better! Something is going around, I know so many people who are ill right now.

And now Dr Polanski is joined by her lonesomeness with Tasha Yar.
Oct. 4th, 2010 01:20 am (UTC)
Dude, I was just dead yesterday. Couldn't get up at all. Ugh, it was miserable. I'm thankful for the fast turnaround, though a bit wary of it's suddenness.

(no subject) - alexeia_drae - Oct. 4th, 2010 02:11 am (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 4th, 2010 03:56 am (UTC)
These are really cool to see. I always think of BtVS having a huge web of relationships, but seeing it laid out is really quite the thing. Makes me sad for the characters in these other shows.

Oct. 18th, 2010 11:46 am (UTC)
Buffy, Sookie, the Bechdel test and some cool diagrams
User dalmeny referenced to your post from Buffy, Sookie, the Bechdel test and some cool diagrams saying: [...] s between characters of the same gender in Buffy, Star Trek The Next Generation, and Babylon 5. [...]
Oct. 18th, 2010 03:59 pm (UTC)

It would be interesting to see how you weight the cross-gender cohort relationships as well. Following the optimum path (widest road through least number of intermediaries) on these shows would, I suspect, definitely show that on most shows (other than Buffy), the female/female relationship would pale with respect to the same female/female relationship with one (or more) male intermediaries. But it would be interesting to see how that actually would turn out.

Nov. 15th, 2010 10:41 pm (UTC)
Fascinating! Thank you for making these -- the B5 one, in particular, is really stark. I really hope other people take you up on making more of these (and perhaps I will be one of them!) as it's clearly an effective way to track certain trends.
Nov. 16th, 2010 04:58 pm (UTC)
I was surprised by the B5 one, because I've always been a fan of the women of B5. However, while they were undeniably awesome, they just didn't interact much with each other.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed. I encourage others to play with the concept. :)
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