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Fandom Eye-wear

I do have an actual substantial post for today. Because I have a lot of thoughts churning in my head, and I want to kinda put them in words and see if they make any sense.

As you know, I've been attempting to explore other pairings in fanfic. In the past, I've stuck pretty damn close to Spuffy, which is my OTP. However, as you can probably tell by my bookmarks, I still haven't come across many other ships that appeal to me.

Of course, part of this is that I'm just not much of a shipper by nature. My spark for Spuffy is an exception to my general disinterest in romantic pairings.

I think some of it, though, may have to deal with my fandom eye-wear.

I'll explain that, just...bear with me.

I recall having conversations before about what counts as gen and what counts as shippy in terms of fanfic. Especially for a fandom like BtVS. How much plot does a fic need before it becomes gen? How much romance does a fic need before it becomes shippy? Okay, this may feel like I'm coming way out of left field, but I think I've actually come to something of a conclusion on this and it relates to my earlier ponderings about pairings and such.

Because we don't all watch the same show. Well, we do. But we don't.



Everybody has their own focus for the show. A particular character. A particular ship. A particular theme. Whatever. It's the lens through which they interpret canon events, and it's also the lens through which they produce fanworks.

People aren't restricted to one lens, of course. I have my Spuffy lens. I also have my feminist lens. And I have a few others tucked away that I like to explore at various times.

It's here we are able to find these distinctions between gen fics and shipper fics, though. Also, the distinction between "being a shipper" and "liking a particular pairing but not being fannish about it".

A shipper has in their arsenal of fandom eyewear the lens for their particular pairing. They'll be able to list out all the glances, the touches, the important scenes and dialogues. They'll tell you how one throwaway line in Episode X is the linchpin for the beautifully woven thematic arc of Pairing Y.

I always joke about my "inner Spuffy fangirl". That's the lens. That's when I'm just purely looking at the series as a shipper. I don't always do so. But it happens.

For people who don't have that particular lens, the interpretations and conclusions of various shippers can seem downright puzzling. It's not that the shippers are just "making stuff up". They're just using a different prescription.

Okay, so that's all about interpretation the show. Input. Now let's turn to output, because those same lenses are in place when we respond to the show, whether through meta or vids or fanfic or general squee.

Let me give you an example of how this can affect a piece of fanfic.

We'll take a fairly common scene: Buffy visiting Angel and Spike after the NFA battle. In this example, she brings Willow along for support.

Don't take these as examples of stellar writing. They're very rough and somewhat-sucky. I'm in meta-mode, not fanfic-mode here.

Let's first take a look at what a fic with this premise might look like through a Spuffy lens:

"Angel." Buffy's eyes were first drawn to the larger vampire who lay bandaged on the hospital bed. Then her gaze wandered over to Spike, who was reclining in the second bed, similarly bandaged. Spike was alive. Injured, but alive. Nobody had told her this. He hadn't told her this. "When did Spike come back?"

Willow gripped Buffy's elbow, perhaps sensing that Buffy was going through something of a shock. It was a good thing she'd come along for support.

"Listen, about that," Angel spoke up before Spike could. "Could we discuss it later? Kinda injured and in pain right now."

Right. He was right

If Spike were going to say anything, he apparently decided not to. Instead, he lay still with a guilty look on his face. Buffy couldn't believe it. After all they'd been through, she'd find out that he was back like this. Incidental. He hadn't called her. Hadn't written her. Hadn't done anything.

Well, fine. If that's the way Spike wanted to play it.

Buffy glanced at Willow before moving forward to sit at Angel's side. Her back turned to Spike, and she held Angel's hand. She could feel Spike's eyes burning the back of her neck.

"You know I'll always come when you call," Buffy said to Angel. Well...not entirely to Angel...


Oh hey look! A typical post-NFA Spuffy reunion fic! *loves those*

Let's shift a bit. Take the exact same scene. Same dialogue. Same action. And, instead, let's use a Bangel lens to write the story:

"Angel." Buffy's eyes were first drawn to her former lover. Of course. Where else would she want to look? Whenever he was around, she could feel him. She had to see him. It was only after a few lingering moments that she noticed Spike in the other hospital bed with injuries similar to Angel's. The words were out of her mouth on reflex: "When did Spike come back?"

Willow gripped Buffy's elbow, perhaps sensing that Buffy was going through something of a shock. It was a good thing she'd come along for support.

"Listen, about that," Angel spoke up before Spike could. "Could we discuss it later? Kinda injured and in pain right now."

He was right. Spike didn't matter. What they had was a tangled mess of badness and trauma and some comfort at the end. Angel was the one she still longed for. Always.

Buffy glanced at Willow before moving forward to sit at Angel's side. She hated turning her back on Spike after everything, but she had to focus on what was important. And that would always be Angel. She held his hand.

"You know I'll always come when you call," Buffy said to Angel.


Oh hey look! A...Bangel fic...let's move on.

As you can probably tell, there's a substantial difference between the two.

Ironically, I use this contrast between two ships to make a point about gen fics.

A gen fic is a fic that isn't using a shippy lens to tell the story. It may have the same dialogue, same action as a shippy fic (because romantic pairings are common so they're gonna pop up even in gen fics). But without that shippy lens, the prose will be different.

This isn't to say that gen fics are devoid of lenses. That would be weird. Instead, the lens focuses on a particular character. A particular story element. A particular view of the show. Anything other than the pairing lens.

Okay, so that tangent's in place, but I'm still not quite finished because I've yet to figure out why these other pairings aren't quite gripping me as I'd like them to.

Well, the fact is that sometimes, if the lens ain't there, it just ain't there. This especially applies to canon pairings. I'm already familiar with them, but I never developed any particular lens for them while watching the show. Doing so while reading fanfic is a long-shot (though I'm still trying, dammit!).

But, no, I'm thinking of the unconventional pairings. You guys know I like to stick close to canon. So with unconventional pairings, I have to be "sold" on them. They have to convince me so I can tilt my head and go, "Huh. I could see that."

Now, I can only talk about one-shot fics here. Longfics have different dynamics and would require more thinkiness on my part to meta on. But I think where I'm getting a bit discouraged with the non-canon pairing one-shots is that they're written with the assumption that I already have the Andrew/Clem lens (or whatever pairing it is). And since I don't, I'm reading the fic without the proper eye-wear, and I'm just coming out puzzled.

Let's go back to that horribly wonderfully written example one more time. Except now it's written from the perspective of Willow/Buffy:

"Angel." Buffy's eyes were first drawn to Angel, then to Spike who occupied the second hospital bed. Both were injured. And Spike? Shouldn't Spike be dead? "When did Spike come back?"

Willow gripped Buffy's elbow. Buffy resisted the urge to grab her hand. This was so awkward. With the two vampires and the two girls and things were so different now and she just wanted to grab Willow's arm and walk out.

"Listen, about that," Angel spoke up before Spike could. "Could we discuss it later? Kinda injured and in pain right now."

Good. Discussing it later was good. Buffy was always happy to discuss stuff...later.

Buffy looked at Willow, trying to communicate with her eyes. Which sounded lame but actually worked out pretty well when you've known someone for over seven years. I have to be with them now. I'm sorry, sweetie.

Willow understood.

With reluctance, Buffy broke away from Willow to sit by Angel's side and hold his hand.

"You know I'll always come when you call," Buffy said. It was her duty.


Does it work with all the dialogue and everything? Sure. And it can surely be well-written (my example isn't, but I've been reading tons of fantastically written stuff). But for the person who doesn't have a Willow/Buffy lens...it just seems odd.

So I think I've found the root of my problem in finding new pairings to enjoy:

1) For canon pairings, I'm largely apathetic to shipping in the first place, so if I didn't develop a lens while watching the show, it's gonna be tough going to acquire one while reading fanfic.

1a) It's not impossible, though, and since I am finding well-written fanfic, I'll continue to explore, even if I don't particular care to reread any of it.

2) For noncanon pairings, I need to read more longfics for these pairings, as these will (presumably) take the time to build up the ship and convince me that it would work.

And on my path to this realization, I inadvertently cleared up my thoughts on the gen vs ship fic distinction.

Go me! :)

Also, what this person said. (Thanks, elisi, for the link!)


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mabus101
Feb. 9th, 2010 04:41 am (UTC)
Well, that does explain a lot.

Specifically, inasmuch as I don't seem to have shipping lenses at all. When I watched the original show (as with most shows I watched), I really wasn't looking for any couples to pay attention to. Wherever there was subtext, I missed it; where there was sufficient text, I simply noted it as "something that happened in the show". I might or might not like certain pairings, but I never feel it's my place to decide what "works" or doesn't.

So if I come across a noncanon pairing, unless there's some direct contradiction of an obvious part of the show (eg, Buffy cancels her movie date with Angel so she can hang out with Faith), I generally just kind of accept it and read on.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 04:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's typically how I am while watching shows. I'm not a romantic at all, so the couples don't appeal to me any more than the rest of the show.

Buffy/Spike just snuck in there and took hold somehow. Funny how that can sometimes happen. :)
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lynnenne
Feb. 9th, 2010 04:45 am (UTC)
It's funny, because I can buy just about any pairing for the length of time I'm reading a fic. Suspension of disbelief is not that hard for me. Buffy/Willow, Buffy/Faith, Spike/Andrew, Xander/Dawn, etc. etc. etc. - I can see merit in just about all of them. Hell, I've even written Angel/Connor.

But the one ship I've never been able to buy into, which is hugely popular, is Spike/Xander. I do not get it. I don't get it even when it's really well written - and there are lots of great Spander fics out there. And it's not that there isn't any subtext in canon, if you know where to look for it. The writers gave them plenty of slashy moments. Even Jane Espenson shipped them! I just - don't have any Spander glasses.

Also, I love the term "fandom eyewear." It's awesome!
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 04:51 am (UTC)
It's funny, because I can buy just about any pairing for the length of time I'm reading a fic. Suspension of disbelief is not that hard for me.

Hee. You have rather flexible lenses. :)

I'm enjoying the fanfic I'm reading. Even if I don't buy the pairing or get enthusiastic about it in a "shippy" sense, I can recognize that what I'm reading is a good, solid work of fiction. But that shipper investment I have while reading a Spuffy fic just isn't there.

But the one ship I've never been able to buy into, which is hugely popular, is Spike/Xander.

Yeah, I'm still working on that one, myself. I was reading a longfic by Herself that was Spike/Xander, but even that wasn't doing anything for me so I stopped. Maybe something else on my to-read list will appeal to me more...

Also, I love the term "fandom eyewear." It's awesome!

I just wish I had an icon of Willow wearing glasses...

Willow should SO have worn glasses at some point!
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deird1
Feb. 9th, 2010 04:46 am (UTC)
...and weirdly, I now kinda want to read the Buffy/Willow version of that fic.

*is odd*
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 04:52 am (UTC)
lol! Somebody else will have to take up that bunny. Buffy/Willow is a bit incestuous for me.

*dislikes pairing up any of the core Scoobies with each other*
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waddis
Feb. 9th, 2010 05:02 am (UTC)
Oh look! She's rambling again!

See? You just gotta add a little spice.

Also, sometimes, when you ramble, your topics wax a little on the sexy side. Nothing wrong with sexy rambles.

::Glances at topic::

Um.... yeah, I got nothing. I like pairings involving the core three, but not necessarily in a romantic way.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 05:08 am (UTC)
Also, sometimes, when you ramble, your topics wax a little on the sexy side. Nothing wrong with sexy rambles.

...are you hitting on me?

I like pairings involving the core three, but not necessarily in a romantic way.

I didn't know there were unromantic pairings. Well, I suppose romantic pairings are "ships", and there could also be friendship pairings or somesuch. But it's fandom, and we're all focused on our ships, so nobody really notices the other stuff too much.
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mediumajaxwench
Feb. 9th, 2010 05:05 am (UTC)
I think you just explained my inability to read any fic with that just jumps into a story with an established relationship that wasn't in place in canon at the moment the story is set. I don't really get into OTP, so every time I need to get sold on the relationship again. I always scratch my head when people say they want fic where the relationship is established, because I have no shipper glasses. Some pairings have to do a lot more to sell me that others (*cough*Angel/Oz*cough*), but they all have to sell me at least a little bit. I love when people come up with new terminology to describe stuff.

I might be a little bit too excited about this revelation.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 05:10 am (UTC)
Yay! I'm glad it resonated with you. I was happy to piece things together and "get" this whole thing because I've spent years trying to figure out noncanon pairings and why they just don't work for me.
alexeia_drae
Feb. 9th, 2010 05:09 am (UTC)
This reminds me of a what is art theory where there is what the creator intended and what the audience sees, and how it is different for every person and the combination of the two that make a work art. And I probably did a shitty job of explaining that.

At any rate, I'm hard core cannon. Characterization is too important for me to overlook for alt pairings, but if that what floats peoples' boats then I don't get upset about it anymore. I used to though.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 05:13 am (UTC)
I believe that's the issue of authorial intent and how important it is to interpretation of a work and such. People smarter than me have delved into that topic.

Characterization is too important for me to overlook for alt pairings, but if that what floats peoples' boats then I don't get upset about it anymore. I used to though.

Well, but it's just not about canon vs alt, though. Obviously, Buffy/Spike appeals to me. Buffy/Angel, not so much. I kinda like some of the subversive elements of them in canon, but as a ship? It squicks me.

So I have a Spuffy ship lens but not a Bangel one. Spuffy fics will always appeal to me more easily than Bangel fics.

And, of course, noncanon pairings will have to work even harder to resonate with me. And they're at a disadvantage since I'm canon's bitch. :)
me_llamo_nic
Feb. 9th, 2010 05:22 am (UTC)
When I was reading the first two examples, I found myself thinking, "I think I could see some Wiffy subtext here." And then you did a Wiffy example and I laughed. And also found myself thinking, "There might be Spangel hints if I squint at this."

Definitely grasping the lens concept. Especially since I've been rewatching S7 with my Wiffy lens on and a Buffy-Spike sublens to find a decent conflict.

But you still totally made up that stuff about Buffy and Faith being like sisters. They're obviously in love.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 05:26 am (UTC)
When I was reading the first two examples, I found myself thinking, "I think I could see some Wiffy subtext here." And then you did a Wiffy example and I laughed.

lol! I had Willow in that scene for a reason. ;)

But you still totally made up that stuff about Buffy and Faith being like sisters. They're obviously in love.

Just like Buffy and Dawn! (Duffy? Bawn? Daffy??)
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lusciousxander
Feb. 9th, 2010 06:49 am (UTC)
I guess for me it's not about the ship as much as the character I love. I love reading Xander interacting with different characters, I'm much more into gen/friendship fics than slash to be honest, but you rarely find those. So, I read slash!Xander fics and het!Xander fics, get what I can have -I've read him with everybody, even Snyder, Xander is as much of a slut as Spike. Not complaining. :)

The only reason I started reading Spuffy in the first place is the sub story where you have Xander/Spike friendship. I had to ask around for those, reading Xander bashing hurts my heart, and sadly a lot of Spuffy fics turn him into a one dimensional character. Villain. Same goes for Willow.

I don't think there will ever be a perfect fic for everybody. What works for some may not work for others. As you said, it's probably the lens, or the interest, I'm more invested in Xander, so I mostly enjoy fics about him. It's why I don't care about Spangel, it's fairly popular and I'm sure there are amazing fics out there, but it doesn't appeal to me.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 03:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I do think with a lot of pairings, the focus is actually on a single character. With Spuffy, you get a lot of people whose primary focus is Spike (and they pair him up with Buffy because that's what he wants). Likewise, I've read a lot of Angel pairings that focus on Angel. I think those are more character lenses than pairing lenses as the relationship is largely incidental.
eilowyn
Feb. 9th, 2010 07:25 am (UTC)
Okay, so this may be just me (and this could probably be the subject of another entire post), but the Spuffy example feels kinda gen-ish to me, like it would be Buffy's natural response without taking into consideration the ship. It felt, well, canon-y. This may be because the Bangel example is so . . . well, blatantly Bangel. There is nothing neutral about it, and it is clearly trying not to be neutral.

Now, I tried to figure out why the Spuffy felt so gen-ish, and the Bangel felt so ship-ish (other than the fact that you're a Spuffy and a canon-whore and so your Spuffy would feel more canon-ish than the Bangel - and Bangel automatically has to go into the world of epic love of epicness, like Bella hearts Angel, but really, who's counting?). I think because it's fairly and evenly portrayed, it moved seamlessly into the realm of canon, whereas the Bangel needed to be the epic love of epicness, and wasn't so seamless.

And the Wiffy was just cute. Could border on friend fic cute.

P.S. - consider this my attempt to delurk without exposing myself on the delurker post because . . . that felt like exposing myself.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 03:35 pm (UTC)
Heh. The Spuffy example feels more canon-y to me, too. But, then, for some people Buffy wouldn't care too much if Spike came back because S7 was her final good-bye to him (and good riddance) and she now wants to bake cookies with Angel.

I think the scenes would have been different if I'd set them in, say, S2 or S3 (or even S4). The Spuffy ship was such a big thing in S7, a fic around that time will naturally fall in line at least partially with the ship, even if it's gen. Whereas a fic set in S2 will look awfully Bangel-y no matter what (unless you purposely pair up Buffy with somebody else).

Course, I'm also sure the Bangel scene was all sorts of horribly written and trite because I've never (seriously) written Bangel and had no clue what to do. :)

P.S. - consider this my attempt to delurk without exposing myself on the delurker post because . . . that felt like exposing myself.

Aw...I know you! :)
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elisi
Feb. 9th, 2010 07:26 am (UTC)
This post reminded me of Your Friends Are Not Watching the Same Show You Are (And That's Okay). :) Although with a different focus, of course.

'Fandom eye-wear' is a brilliant term btw, and one I agree with very much! (And it's interesting that one of my fics, which I'd thought of as shippy, has been nominated for 'best gen' - and I can see that, to be honest.)
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 03:37 pm (UTC)
Heh. I've had fics I consider gen be nominated for shippy awards. I'm apparently not as neutral as I think I am sometimes. :)

And I can't credit for "fandom eye-wear". It's the logical extension of the term "slash googles", after all. :)
sockmonkeyhere
Feb. 9th, 2010 10:25 am (UTC)
Howdy! I always enjoy your meta, and this one in particular I very much agree with! :)

For noncanon pairings, I need to read more longfics for these pairings, as these will (presumably) take the time to build up the ship and convince me that it would work.

I know what you mean -- Spike/Fred has been my OTP since the summer before AtS Season 5, and I love and appreciate any Spredfic I can find, but I love best the Spredfics that begin with the Spike/Fred friendship and show that relationship slowly developing into sexual attraction and romance. I want to experience all the touching, gut-wrenching, emotional elements that I saw other couples have on the TV episodes; I want to see Spike and Fred doing ALL those things that moved my heart and soul (except the permanent break-up. Joss can keep his unhappy endings to himself.)
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 03:39 pm (UTC)
Yep. I'm the same way with Spuffy, for the most part. Well, I do love me some established couple fics...but Spuffy's a bit more canon than Spred so I got a lot of the "relationship developing" stuff on the actual show. :)
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peasant_
Feb. 9th, 2010 01:20 pm (UTC)
Perhaps you should always start a new pairing at Shipmanifesto (or whatever that com was called, if you don't know it someone else will remember) so you begin with the best 'adverts' for the pairing?



gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 03:39 pm (UTC)
Huh. Hadn't thought of that. Will have to give it a try next time. :)
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ever_neutral
Feb. 9th, 2010 01:22 pm (UTC)
A shipper has in their arsenal of fandom eyewear the lens for their particular pairing. They'll be able to list out all the glances, the touches, the important scenes and dialogues. They'll tell you how one throwaway line in Episode X is the linchpin for the beautifully woven thematic arc of Pairing Y.

I think you may have pinpointed the reason behind the vastly different interpretations of B/S in fandom. True, you could say that for any ship. But Bangel for example, as your wonderfully written example suggests, is waaaaay more... well, Bangel-y in canon than, say, Spuffy. Take the never-ending debate over the depth of Buffy's feelings for Spike, for instance. When I put on my Spuffy lens, I see a ton of subtle things (facial expressions, body language, subtext) that I'm willing to bet most non-shippers just don't. And because Buffy's feelings for Spike are conveyed in a much more obtuse fashion than, say, Angel, my theory as to why one can cause a kerfuffle in certain parts by suggesting that Buffy loves Spike (while her love for Angel is universally accepted), is that S/B in canon, more often than not, is written in a far more 'gen' way. Which could explain why some (nutters) seem to consider Spuffy an abomination that took over the show, while the B/A sweetness/melodrama is just an accepted fact. You don't have to be sporting shipper eye-wear to see The Romance in B/A. B/S OTOH, could very well be (and has been) interpreted at certain times (I'm looking at you, S6) as the portrayal of an abusive relationship.

IDK, I could just be making up horseshit. But I do remember once reading a great Spuffy meta by the_royal_anna after having watched the series for the first time (and when I had not yet adjusted my shipper goggles), and as heartwarming as it all was, a lot of what she was saying went over my head. Then I re-watched a bunch of episodes specifically with my new shiptastic eyewear, then re-read the meta, and then *it all made sense*. I saw *exactly* what she saw when she talked about this, this and this.

/pointless rambling

Eh, I think this comment in short is 'your thoughts are interesting'.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 03:41 pm (UTC)
*loves on your ramble*

Sorry, it's too early in the morning for me to add any interesting thoughts, but you've given me some new stuff to chew over. Thanks!
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hello_spikey
Feb. 9th, 2010 01:50 pm (UTC)
That's a pretty clear discussion of author intent. I like. Whatever we write, we have a reason to do it, and it may be love of a character, or idea.

And major props for writing a bangel scene to drive home your point. I don't think I could force myself to do that. *shudders*

That had me thinking how, due to my own personal taste, I find Spike, like, 5,000 times more attractive than Angel. So for me, when Buffy (or any character, really, other than, maybe, Cordelia) picks Angel over Spike, it fails to suspend my disbelief. :P

Which comes back to, no matter what you do, you have to sell it. I have people ask me to write things like Spike/Oz, and then get confused when I have to write lots and lots of gen to get them lined up to liking each other. Like...

wow... wordiest "me too" evah.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 03:42 pm (UTC)
That had me thinking how, due to my own personal taste, I find Spike, like, 5,000 times more attractive than Angel. So for me, when Buffy (or any character, really, other than, maybe, Cordelia) picks Angel over Spike, it fails to suspend my disbelief. :P

rofl!!! I'll never understand Buffy's affinity for guys who are so bulky and smothering. Especially as she's such a tiny thing.

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penny_lane_42
Feb. 9th, 2010 02:48 pm (UTC)
I like this post. A lot. I think it is insightful and awesome, and I have nothing to add, really.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 9th, 2010 03:43 pm (UTC)
:)

Icon love! That moment in Showtime...how can anybody watch that and not see that Buffy's totally falling in love with Spike?? ;)
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