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Yep, a poll on Spike's role in AtS S5

will35
Yes, this is prompted by the discussion in my post about Spike in AtS S5 plus a couple questions I've been meaning to ask for a while on the Buffy/Angel Chosen scene. Anyway, I'm not looking/expecting validation for my opinions here (I do get the idea that I'm in the minority). But this does seem to be a somewhat divisive issue among Spike-fans, and I'd like to open it up to get an idea as to my flist leanings (since not everybody comments...you get more opinions with a poll). Obviously, you don't have to be a Spike fan to take the poll, though. ;)

And I know that a lot of these answers have conditionals or require explanation by you guys. For most of the questions, I went with a generic "Are you okay with..." phrasing which kinda gives you some freedom to have problems with the item in question but, on the whole, still be alright with it.

Feel free to discuss your answers if you feel like it. And if you don't, that's cool, too.



Small edit, but I feel it important to note that for the question regarding NFA, I'm not asking about your opinion on the actual episode, itself. Just on your take on the episode in relation to Spike's character arc. Slight distinction, but keep that in mind. Thankee!

Poll #1395962
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 77

The Buffy/Angel kiss of End of Days/Chosen...

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In-character
29 (37.7%)
Not in-character
38 (49.4%)
Other
8 (10.4%)
No opinion
2 (2.6%)

Angel's behavior during the End of Days/Chosen scene...

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In-character
30 (39.0%)
Not in-character
38 (49.4%)
Other
3 (3.9%)
No opinion
6 (7.8%)

Did you like Buffy's "cookie dough" speech?

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Yes
45 (59.2%)
No
24 (31.6%)
Other
4 (5.3%)
No opinion
3 (3.9%)

Were you okay with how Spike's story ended in Chosen?

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Yes
58 (76.3%)
No
10 (13.2%)
Other
8 (10.5%)
No opinion
0 (0.0%)

Overall, were you okay with Spike's part in AtS S5?

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Yes
37 (48.7%)
No
23 (30.3%)
Other
11 (14.5%)
No opinion
5 (6.6%)

Spike making a joke about vamping his mother in Lineage...

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In-character
21 (28.0%)
Not in-character
41 (54.7%)
Other
7 (9.3%)
No opinion
6 (8.0%)

Were you okay with how they executed Spike's contacting of Buffy upon his arrival in AtS S5?

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Yes
13 (17.3%)
No
48 (64.0%)
Other
5 (6.7%)
No opinion
9 (12.0%)

Do you feel Spike's sacrifice for Fred in Hellbound was a significant character revelation?

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Yes
28 (36.8%)
No
34 (44.7%)
Other
3 (3.9%)
No opinion
11 (14.5%)

Were you okay with Spike's overall treatment of Harmony in AtS S5?

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Yes
18 (24.0%)
No
43 (57.3%)
Other
10 (13.3%)
No opinion
4 (5.3%)

The Girl in Question...

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Love it
26 (34.7%)
Hate it
23 (30.7%)
Other
17 (22.7%)
No opinion
9 (12.0%)

Were you okay with how Spike's story ended in Not Fade Away?

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Yes
43 (57.3%)
No
20 (26.7%)
Other
9 (12.0%)
No opinion
3 (4.0%)

Which ending for Spike do you prefer: Chosen or Not Fade Away?

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Chosen
39 (52.0%)
Not Fade Away
19 (25.3%)
Other
7 (9.3%)
No opinion
10 (13.3%)

Who's the coolest vampire? (Select all that apply)

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Spike
4 (5.3%)
Spike
1 (1.3%)
Spike
1 (1.3%)
Angel
1 (1.3%)
Spike
0 (0.0%)


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stormwreath
May. 7th, 2009 01:11 am (UTC)
The Spike that needed to be offered money to talk about his past was Evil Soulless Spike, not sensitive poetry-reading soulful Spike.

Not to mention that Spike had been tortured for over a century by his memory of what happened to his mother. 'Lies My Parents Told Me' was a huge, cathartic moment for him. The circumstances of the end of S7 weren't really conducive to much emotional sharing about his past, but frankly I'd find it unrealistic if Spike in A5 wasn't a lot more open and relaxed about discussing his past than he ever was on 'Buffy'.

(Not that I'm necessarily defending the specific line in 'Lineage' - more the concept that yes, Spike would be willing to talk about such things now. Compare also his conversation with Angel in 'Damage'.)

Edited at 2009-05-07 01:12 am (UTC)
gabrielleabelle
May. 7th, 2009 01:24 am (UTC)
Perhaps we're looking at some poor execution. Because if the line had been treated with more sensitivity than acting as a meta-joke, I might not have so much of a problem with it. As it played, it made Spike look like a socially inept buffoon.

So if it had been an actual "discussion" as opposed to a comedic one-liner, that might have been interesting. But I don't consider that line to be Spike "opening up" about his past or anything of the sort. That was a throwaway joke and doesn't do right for Spike's character.
ms_scarletibis
May. 7th, 2009 05:24 am (UTC)
Okay--did the read through anyway.

I agree that LMPTM was mos def cathartic for him. Spike knew that his mother--his real mother loved him. So discussing his experience with the demon that took her over is okay now. And it wasn't as if he was just talking about it nonchalantly out of the blue--Wes thought he'd murdered his father. Spike knew kind of what that feeling was like, so he rambled out something in an attempt to make Wes feel better. A poor plan of doing so (in contrast to Angel's, as mentioned). The joke, perhaps, is in how we the audience see the information given from both Angel and Spike, but not in what Spike says. He wasn't trying to be funny.
gabrielleabelle
May. 7th, 2009 05:25 am (UTC)
I replied to you below to clarify, hon.

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