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Episode Poll: 5.14 Crush

will34
It's awkward writing this part when doing scheduled posts. Like now, I'm writing this one week ahead of time. By the time this posts, I'll be finished with the GRE - the big looming THING in my future. I have no clue if I'll be jubilant or dismayed.

But I guess Crush is something to look forward to, cause guys, I love this episode.






1. Spike adopts a more casual look in this episode: khaki pants and button-downs with a brown leather jacket. Do you dig it over his usual look?

Yes. Definitely an improvement.
10(8.2%)
No way. Classic!Spike is the best.
80(65.6%)
I like/dislike them both equally.
24(19.7%)
I have another answer.
5(4.1%)
Not sure.
3(2.5%)

2. Spike proclaims to Buffy that he can be good, like Angel. What say you?

Yeah. Angel had a soul. Spike has a chip. Same diff.
2(1.7%)
No. He's like a serial killer in prison.
13(10.7%)
He can be good - like Angel - but not just because of the chip.
84(69.4%)
I have another answer.
17(14.0%)
Not sure.
5(4.1%)

3. By the end of the episode, which woman do you think has the largest grievance with Spike?

Drusilla - Betrayed and offered up to be dusted for Buffy
30(24.4%)
Harmony - The actual girlfriend who got completely dumped and ignored (but not before having to role-play as Buffy)
51(41.5%)
Buffy - Being chained up and threatened
20(16.3%)
I have another answer
9(7.3%)
Not sure
13(10.6%)

4. Buffy claims that you can't love without a soul. What say you?

She's right.
6(5.0%)
No way.
90(75.6%)
I have another answer
12(10.1%)
Not sure
11(9.2%)

5. Spike threatened to kill Drusilla for Buffy. Would he have gone through with it if Buffy had responded with more interest?

Yes
49(40.8%)
No
34(28.3%)
I have another answer
2(1.7%)
Not sure
35(29.2%)

6. He also threatens to untie Drusilla and let her kill Buffy if Buffy doesn't give him "a crumb". Would he have done this if Harmony hadn't interrupted?

Yes
7(5.8%)
No
94(77.7%)
I have another answer
2(1.7%)
Not sure
18(14.9%)

7. Pretend you're a movie reviewer and give this episode a star rating:

***** (Five stars)
46(40.0%)
**** (Four stars)
51(44.3%)
*** (Three stars)
17(14.8%)
** (Two stars)
0(0.0%)
* (One star)
1(0.9%)


Comments

mcjulie
Apr. 18th, 2012 12:02 am (UTC)
#2 -- Spike can be good. The Spike story arc argues powerfully for good as a choice. The soul in the Buffyverse is basically treated as a mystical conscience, and we know that there are humans walking around right now in the real world who lack such a thing. If they choose to do good, are they less moral than regular people -- who do good in part because their conscience punishes them emotionally for doing bad? Or are they more moral because their motives are more pure?

I don't have an answer here, I just think it's an interesting question. See "Dexter" for more on the topic...

#3 -- Harmony, because Spike really has treated her abominably from Season 4 onward. (For not being Buffy, is my reading on it.)

#4 -- When Buffy says you can't love without a soul, she is trying to convince herself of that. She already knows it isn't true.

#5 -- I don't think Spike would have killed Drusilla in cold blood, but he would have killed her to save Buffy. This is what Drusilla picks up on, right before she tells him he's lost. His instinct is entirely to save Buffy.

#6 -- He might have untied her with the intent of letting her kill Buffy, but wouldn't have gone through with it -- see #5 above. Also, I can't figure out if the emotional blackmail is just Spike being honestly a jerk (still, technically, evil, you know) or if it's Spike self-consciously doing what the bad boy would do.

#7 -- Four stars for Drusilla! This would be a five star episode if not for that horrible, horrible scene where Buffy and her mother and Willow talk about the crush and everybody's fretting and stupid and victim-blaming and acting like Buffy is twelve years old or something. HER MOTHER ACTUALLY SAYS, "Did you lead him on in some way?" GAH!
gabrielleabelle
Apr. 18th, 2012 12:26 am (UTC)
#3. Making her roleplay as Buffy is really horrible, too. Poor Harmony.

4. Yep.

7. Oh yeah. Not one of Joyce's best moments. I have to think that her line was just there as a set-up for Buffy's "Spike gets off on violence" joke.
doublemeat
Apr. 18th, 2012 01:06 am (UTC)
I have a slightly different take on Joyce's line: that she actually thinks Spike is pretty hot, and assumes (correctly?) that Buffy does too. A lot of the Spike/Joyce scenes have a flirty subtext.
mcjulie
Apr. 18th, 2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
I have a slightly different take on Joyce's line: that she actually thinks Spike is pretty hot, and assumes (correctly?) that Buffy does too. A lot of the Spike/Joyce scenes have a flirty subtext.

I like this interpretation so much that I'm going to pretend I believe it's true from now on. It's Joyce projecting her own anxieties!

Also, she is the one who invited Dracula in. Maybe all Summers women have a thing for vampires...
mcjulie
Apr. 18th, 2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
I have to think that her line was just there as a set-up for Buffy's "Spike gets off on violence" joke.

Indeed! And the scene as a whole seems to exist mostly so it can end with Buffy going to Spike's lair.

In episodic TV like BtVS there is going to be weaknesses like that -- perfunctory scenes and out-of-character lines -- and a lot of times I'm pretty forgiving. But the particular nature of this weak scene has always really grated my cheese.

Oh, and regarding #4, I realized that Buffy does know that Angel is incapable of love without a soul. So she originally had a good reason for thinking that soulless vampires were incapable of love, because that was her direct experience.

red_satin_doll
Sep. 27th, 2012 11:53 am (UTC)
Oh, and regarding #4, I realized that Buffy does know that Angel is incapable of love without a soul. So she originally had a good reason for thinking that soulless vampires were incapable of love, because that was her direct experience.

*nods*

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