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Episode Poll: 5.14 Crush

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It's awkward writing this part when doing scheduled posts. Like now, I'm writing this one week ahead of time. By the time this posts, I'll be finished with the GRE - the big looming THING in my future. I have no clue if I'll be jubilant or dismayed.

But I guess Crush is something to look forward to, cause guys, I love this episode.






1. Spike adopts a more casual look in this episode: khaki pants and button-downs with a brown leather jacket. Do you dig it over his usual look?

Yes. Definitely an improvement.
10(8.2%)
No way. Classic!Spike is the best.
80(65.6%)
I like/dislike them both equally.
24(19.7%)
I have another answer.
5(4.1%)
Not sure.
3(2.5%)

2. Spike proclaims to Buffy that he can be good, like Angel. What say you?

Yeah. Angel had a soul. Spike has a chip. Same diff.
2(1.7%)
No. He's like a serial killer in prison.
13(10.7%)
He can be good - like Angel - but not just because of the chip.
84(69.4%)
I have another answer.
17(14.0%)
Not sure.
5(4.1%)

3. By the end of the episode, which woman do you think has the largest grievance with Spike?

Drusilla - Betrayed and offered up to be dusted for Buffy
30(24.4%)
Harmony - The actual girlfriend who got completely dumped and ignored (but not before having to role-play as Buffy)
51(41.5%)
Buffy - Being chained up and threatened
20(16.3%)
I have another answer
9(7.3%)
Not sure
13(10.6%)

4. Buffy claims that you can't love without a soul. What say you?

She's right.
6(5.0%)
No way.
90(75.6%)
I have another answer
12(10.1%)
Not sure
11(9.2%)

5. Spike threatened to kill Drusilla for Buffy. Would he have gone through with it if Buffy had responded with more interest?

Yes
49(40.8%)
No
34(28.3%)
I have another answer
2(1.7%)
Not sure
35(29.2%)

6. He also threatens to untie Drusilla and let her kill Buffy if Buffy doesn't give him "a crumb". Would he have done this if Harmony hadn't interrupted?

Yes
7(5.8%)
No
94(77.7%)
I have another answer
2(1.7%)
Not sure
18(14.9%)

7. Pretend you're a movie reviewer and give this episode a star rating:

***** (Five stars)
46(40.0%)
**** (Four stars)
51(44.3%)
*** (Three stars)
17(14.8%)
** (Two stars)
0(0.0%)
* (One star)
1(0.9%)


Comments

gabrielleabelle
Apr. 17th, 2012 06:51 pm (UTC)
1. I do think Spike in a button down is dead yummy.

As long as he still has the jacket, I'm fine. :)

3. Hmmm. She called herself "the actual girlfriend". And they'd definitely been living together in a couple-like fashion. I think it's safe to say they were 'dating', whatever that means for vamps.

4. I agree with Kiki. I think Buffy's drawing from her own experiences and also reacting defensively to something she really doesn't want to hear.

5. I dunno. He didn't have his yelling fest until Buffy refused to give him a crumb. I tend to think if she'd given him something, he'd've been happy to stake Dru. He's kinda impulsive and dramatic (and theatrical) in that way.

6. But yeah, I don't think he would've killed Buffy. She's his object of desire at the moment.
ms_scarletibis
Apr. 17th, 2012 06:57 pm (UTC)
<--never wants to see Spike in khakis again :P

I just don't think Spike could really bring himself to stake her. I think that's actually a huge part of the reason Angelus hated Buffy so much--that Angel staked Darla for her. For Spike, poet that he is, I think just saying it was more making a statement than the act itself. Just can't wrap my head around him actually doing that. *shrug*
kikimay
Apr. 17th, 2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
Sorry if I go OT, but I'm the only one who doesn't see this great love between Darla and Angelus? I think that they use each other and they have a strong, carnal bond, but love? (Again, it's like I wrote before: depends on everyone opinions about love) I think that Angelus is cruel towards Buffy 1) Because is cruel in general; 2) Because he was a psycopath and she makes him feel empathy. Sorry for the OT!
ms_scarletibis
Apr. 17th, 2012 07:21 pm (UTC)
Darla specifically mentions love in s1--in the ep where Angel kills her. I think the whole "carnal bond" or whatever is just a fanon perception. Vampires are capable of love.

Angelus was crueler than usual, I think, because he could still feel Angel's love for Buffy, and because Angel killed Darla. How could that not add extra malice? I mean, it made him crazy(er). Like that destroy the world business. Angelus loved luxury too much to really want that.
kikimay
Apr. 17th, 2012 07:59 pm (UTC)
It depends on the meaning we give to the word love. I think that vampires are capable of love, but in a twisted way (That includes torture, violence ...) If you believe that love isn't violent, for example, you can't also believe that vampire love is "true" love. I hope you understand my point.
That works for Buffy: she can't believe that Spike is able to love in the way she feels right, without chaining her, for example, and her experience with Angelus enforces her opinions. (Also, like Gabrielle said, she refuses to believe in Spike's sincerity)
About Darla and Angelus: maybe Darla was in love with him, but Angelus was capable to feel anything for another person? I believe that he's a sadistic sociopath, he can't accept to feel somenthing for a girl and also he can destroy everything just to win the game, just to confirm his power (absolute, of course)
ms_scarletibis
Apr. 18th, 2012 03:09 am (UTC)
I do understand your point. That being said, I don't think Buffy's view was the correct one. I mean, before the whole chained up incident (which, I think was spurred on by Drusilla being there causing all types of confusion), Buffy got agitated when Spike actually started behaving courteously towards her. That holding open the door thing for her is what pushed her over the edge. She could have just said "thanks," or nothing at all and kept on moving. Long story short, I think it only became an aggravating point for him when she pushed the issue with him only to say he could never be good, his feelings could never be real, etc.

Additionally, what always baffled me is that if she really thinks that Spike would take being punched or whatever as a sign of foreplay or interest, why did she do it before learning about his crush? What was the point of that? (Rhetorical--don't expect you to answer :P)

As for Darla and Angelus, Darla specifically says he loved her back:

DARLA: Do you know what the saddest thing in the world is?
BUFFY: Bad hair on top of that outfit?
DARLA: To love someone who used to love you.

So she's basically admitting she does still love him, and that once upon a time, he loved her back. Buffy's retorts treat it all as a joke, but Darla seemed serious, and Angel denied none of it.
gabrielleabelle
Apr. 18th, 2012 03:22 am (UTC)
I think Buffy has some understandable issues with soulless vampires having a thing for her.
ms_scarletibis
Apr. 18th, 2012 03:53 am (UTC)
No, I do too. I just don't think the rationale and the actions were consistent, is all.
doublemeat
Apr. 18th, 2012 07:20 am (UTC)
Good point about the door-holding. Buffy also overacts unconvincingly when Dawn tells her Spike has a crush on her. "Huh?!"... yeah, like "Fool for Love" never happened. She protests too much.
kikimay
Apr. 18th, 2012 09:08 am (UTC)
Yeah, I got it.
Even for me Buffy seemed too much in denial: of course, she has strong issues after the Angelus incident. But, I still think that, in some ways, she was right about vampires, they can't love in human way. About Darla and Angel: he's of course the same, doesn't admit anything, but I doubt that, back in the days when he was completly sadistic and sociopath, his feelings for her were *true*.
kikimay
Apr. 18th, 2012 09:13 am (UTC)
And, of course, I believe that Dru and Spike were in love, in a vampiric, violent (remember Lovers Walk?) way, but truly in love. It's just that I don't believe that emotionally Spike and Angel are the same.

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