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Episode Poll: 5.07 Fool for Love

Fool for Love! I'm so excited!

William! If some of these look familiar, it's because I've kinda done polls for this episode in the past. I'm a fan of recycling...but there's new people and maybe your opinion's changed! Also, new questions! Have at it! Seriously, I had to stop myself. I was coming up with far too many questions. It's not fair to the other episodes.

Let's do this!

1. After Buffy is stabbed by a vampire, Riley offers to patrol. Buffy insists that he take the Scoobies along with him. Reasonable?

Yes. Buffy just got almost-killed by a regular vamp. Strength in numbers is smart.
No. Riley can handle himself.
I have another answer.
Not sure.

2. So...Cecily?

Unreasonably rude to William.
Eh, William was probably being a creepy stalker guy. He deserved the smackdown.
I have another answer.
Not sure.

3. Did William actually go back and drive railroad spikes through those party-goers' heads after he was turned?

Well, yeah. That's how he got his name, right?
Nah. That was part of the joke about how he got his name
I have another answer
Not sure

4. So did Drusilla actually use her super-seer sense to realize how fantastic Spike would be when she turned William?

Yep. Hence the whole talking about his greatness and effulgence and such
Nah, Darla showed that she would have done that to the first person she saw. She wanted a playmate.
I have another answer
Not sure

5. Do all Slayers have a death wish?

I have another answer
Not sure

6. Does Buffy have a death wish?

Not sure

7. Does Buffy want to dance?

Yes, of course!
Maybe a little, though she wouldn't admit it
No way.
Not sure

8. Buffy shoved Spike to the ground, threw money at him, then gave him the ultimate put down.

Wow. That's mean.
Nah, Spike was being a jerk. She had reason.
I have another answer.
Not sure.

9. The Chinese Slayer or the Subway Slayer?

Chinese Slayer
Subway Slayer (Nikki Wood)

10. If Buffy hadn't been crying - and assuming his chip wouldn't disable him - would Spike have shot and killed Buffy?

Not sure.

11. Did Spike tell Buffy the truth about his past as a bloody awful poet and his rejection by Cecily?

Not sure

12. Which flashback did you like best?

William getting turned by Drusilla
William - Spike - learning about the Slayer from Angelus
Spike killing his first Slayer
Spike killing his second Slayer
Drusilla getting caught cheating on Spike

13. Pretend you're a movie reviewer and give this episode a star rating:

***** (Five stars)
**** (Four stars)
*** (Three stars)
** (Two stars)
* (One star)


Feb. 8th, 2012 03:30 am (UTC)
Deep breath
Here goes:

1. Buffy strategizes as part of her slayer training, so if she thinks bringing the Scoobies along is a good idea, I have to go with that.

2. I have another answer. By the time we get to FFL, I can imagine that William has been making it known (through his poetry and other ways) that Cecily does it for him. She's not interested, and she's not obligated to be interested. So telling him what she told him was completely okay with me because sometimes a guy needs that absoluteness in a rejection in order to understand that there's no hope. Anything weaker was probably not going to do it.

3. I voted the second choice with that one. Everything else seemed to be conflated, so I figure that was too.

4. I think she knew when she looked at him, the way she told him he was made for more, with the burning fishes and such. She saw him, she probably even saw Chosen. But maybe not the context. :)

5. I think they do. It's a hard, short, brutal life with no way out except death in one form or another. It would be hard not to want to just stop after living that life for a length of time.

6. I think sometimes. Less so than previous slayers, probably more so in s6, but I think yes. She's a slayer, one in a long line, and I'd be willing to bet she's lost more than most slayers. Buffy's only human, the slayerness amps up the strength and skills but I don't think the Shadowmen made provisions for the girls' emotional well beings. So I'd be surprised if she never did.

7. I think she did. Hell yeah. There was a few seconds there, where she looked like she was extremely tempted, her lips parting just slightly, her eyes flickering. She wanted, all right.

8. First choice. Spike was tempting her to 'dance', and she was tempted. What she did, she did to wake both of them up to the facts of their situation. But I thought then, like I think now, that she humiliated him horribly and needlessly by throwing money on him and telling him he was beneath her. If Buffy were a man, and Spike a woman, regardless of their roles as vamp and slayer, there wouldn't be a question of how badly she treated him. In fact, Spike gets points taken from him by how horribly he treated Harmony and I never really saw the difference between both situations at different times. I have only seen it once, I can't watch it again. It was too hard for me to see her do that to Spike.

9. Don't make me choooooose!! Okay, I will. Chinese Slayer. It's because she's Asian, and I'm half Asian, and when she turned to Spike and asked him to tell her mother she was sorry, I completely and totally understood what she meant. Whatever the relationship between her and her mother, it's probably very close to the one I had with my mom - Slayer daughter of a traditional Chinese woman, American daughter of a traditional Thai woman....yeah, I identified a lot with that one little request of hers.

10. Nothing on this earth will ever make me believe Spike would have hurt Buffy. NOTHING.

11. No. He conflated and exaggerated like a mad thing. But he must have added some truth, because Buffy knew about the 'beneath me' comment AND his name being William.

12. Spike and the second Slayer. The dialogue, the cuts between past and present, the way he revealed Buffy's death wish, everything was amazing and brilliant and I didn't breath through that whole sequence, not once. That doesn't happen often.

13. Five stars. Of course five stars.
Feb. 8th, 2012 04:05 am (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
9. *makes you choose* :)

Also, you made the correct choice. *nod*
Feb. 8th, 2012 04:07 am (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
But he must have added some truth, because Buffy knew about the 'beneath me' comment AND his name being William.

Hmmm, I assumed Buffy's "beneath me" comment was an unintentional echo of Cecily's. She just happened to say something that hits harder than she realizes. If she chose it deliberately because she knew how much it would hurt him, that makes her MUCH crueler.

And she's always known his name was William. William the Bloody... :)
Feb. 8th, 2012 04:21 am (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
If Buffy unintentionally hit on Beneath Me, that's got to be the biggest coincidence known to the human race. I sort of find it hard to believe that she pulled that out of thin air. Maybe in another episode, but not this one.

On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing Spike sharing that bit of humiliation with Buffy.

And she's always known his name was William. William the Bloody... :)


Oh Lord. I thought William the Bloody started in FFL. *headdesk x 1 million*

Feb. 8th, 2012 04:27 am (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
If Buffy unintentionally hit on Beneath Me, that's got to be the biggest coincidence known to the human race.

Well, if Buffy were a real live person, yeah. But since she's a character with writers who like thematic consistency and callbacks like that, I think it's one of those times when probability is sacrificed for poetic license. :) I can't imagine Spike sharing that with Buffy, either.
Feb. 8th, 2012 04:32 am (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
I totally understand, but I guess for me, if it was unintentional, this is the point where my ability to be in the story gets a little strained. :)

And where I start going "oh come on."
Feb. 8th, 2012 04:27 am (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
Damn LJ! Don't eat my comments!

If Buffy unintentionally hit on Beneath Me, that's got to be the biggest coincidence known to the human race. I sort of find it hard to believe that she pulled that out of thin air. Maybe in another episode, but not this one.

It's a work of fiction, so coincidence isn't necessary.

If you compare the two scenes - Buffy saying Spike's "beneath [her]" and Cecily saying William's "beneath [her]" - they're filmed and shot from exactly the same angle on the two women. It's a dramatic parallel, which works on the Doylian level but doesn't necessarily imply intent on the Watsonian level (in fact, it works better if it isn't intentional). That's part of the nature of the story.
Feb. 8th, 2012 04:36 am (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
I can see that, but for me, I guess it works better if it was intentional, because my ability to be in the story, to get moved by it, gets a little strained otherwise.

Which, I know, a show about vampires and my credulity gets tested by a deliberately written parallel. IDEK.

Feb. 8th, 2012 07:12 am (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
I'm thinking we should have a regularly scheduled "Credulity Test" for all shows! It'll be fun!
Feb. 8th, 2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Deep breath
His name being William was no secret, though - William the Bloody, out in the open for all to see.


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