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Ladies and Gentlemen, the Micro/Macro Post

will64
Why, yes, this post would probably have been a journal entry (we had to write little reaction papers in a weekly journal) for my Social Theory class...if that class hadn't ended last week. *shakes fist*

Also, I think this is my Day o' Sociology ramblings

I've been reading this book, Feminist Foundations, which is basically a social theory reader from a feminist perspective. It provides the sociological papers that basically formed the basis of second wave feminist theory.

It's interesting. I've been grappling a lot lately about the intersection of the micro and the macro. The individual and society. How to recognize personal autonomy while still recognizing the larger social forces that are at work. We talked about this a lot in my awesome social theory course. Ethnomethodology. *just likes using big words*

Anyway, this book has provided some interesting food for thought (for me at least, but I am a huge nerd).

From My Four Revolutions by Jessie Bernard in 1973.

Mills's (1959, pp. 225-26) last imperative - to reveal the human meaning of public issues by relating them to personal troubles - was especially salient in the process that came to be known as consciousness raising. Women who had always been blamed for their miseries, rebuked for mentioning them, and told that something was wrong with them were liberated when they came to see that they were not defective individuals but victims of oppressive institutions. Their method, like that of their male counterparts, has since been given the name of ethnomethodology (Garfinkel 1967). Young (1971, p. 279) defines it as a special type of conflict methodology which requires one to poke, probe, provoke and puncture the social system in order to reveal its characteristics. By such techniques, the writings of these early feminists led readers suddenly to become aware of a wide gamut of phenomena which they had always taken for granted. Their consciousness was raised.


There's also this excerpt from Equality Between the Sexes by Alice S. Rossi in 1964.

Our society has been so inundated with psychoanalytic thinking that any dissatisfaction or conflict in personal and family life is considered to require solution on an individual basis. This goes well with the general American value stress on individualism, and American women have increasingly resorted to psychotherapy, the most highly individualized solution of all, for the answers to the problems they have as women. In the process the idea has been lost that many problems, even in the personal family sphere, cannot be solved on an individual basis, but require solution on a societal level by changing the institutional contexts within which we live.


So, feminism. The structural inequality of women in society is indisputable fact. The wage gap, fact. The inequality of poverty, fact. The underrepresentation of women in political positions, fact. The underrepresentation of women in the media, fact. The disproportionate sexualization of women and girls in the media, fact. The disproportionate vulnerability of women to sexual assault and other intimate violence, fact.

I do not believe that acknowledging these facts is inherently disempowering. Because that is the macro, the society. This is now where the individual comes in, autonomy. How do you handle this society as it is? What do you do?

Everybody's gonna have a different answer. Feminists are gonna have different answers. But feminism is about dismantling the structures of inequality. It's not necessarily about dictating personal autonomy (or at least it shouldn't be).

Macro. Micro. I especially get caught up with this in discussions about rape. Macro, rape culture. Big view. Feminists seek to dismantle it. But then you get the micro, the individual. Those are the arguments of, "Well, that's a nice thought, but we still have to keep ourselves safe now (so you shouldn't drink too much/wear that outfit/whatever)."

I think feminism is best when it's acknowledging the micro while addressing the macro. I think that micro concerns can be red herrings in feminist discussions, though, because it's not about the individuals. It's about the structures. No matter how much I read, I still keep coming back to that. Arguments about whether feminists can shave their legs or wear heels are pointless. It's not about those individual women. It's about the structure of society that gives brownie points to women who conform to contemporary beauty standards. Why does this happen? How do we change that?

Likewise, the rape discussions aren't about whether women actually want to walk naked down the street without being assaulted. It's not about that. It's about why this idea is so ludicrous to us in the first place. Why are women's bodies so highly sexualized? Why is men's entitled behavior assumed to be an unchangeable given?

It's the structures. I don't want to get caught up in the micro. Everybody navigates society as best they can. Society presents us a range of options, but it stacks the decks so some will seem more attractive. I don't think it denies a person's autonomy to recognize this. As a feminist, it's that deck-stacking I want to focus on. When people go round and round about how practical it is for young women to take self-defense courses to protect against rape, I want to just turn and point at the culture that is producing that. That's what matters. That's what needs to change.

Welp, that's that. I'm gonna go read Spuffy fanfic now.

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enigmaticblues
Dec. 15th, 2011 03:26 am (UTC)
I agree. Even though, as an individual, I'm very careful about where I go after dark, what I'm wearing, whether and how much I drink in public, on a societal level I deplore the fact that I even have to think about those things. I also hate that I most likely got turned down for a job because I'm a feminist, and because I'm a young-ish woman who wouldn't bow to the superior (read: older) man.

We live in a society that allows that kind of attitude to go on, mostly unchecked. How we deal with that fact is an issue on a micro level, but we are still called to dismantle those macro structures.
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:07 am (UTC)
Even though, as an individual, I'm very careful about where I go after dark, what I'm wearing, whether and how much I drink in public, on a societal level I deplore the fact that I even have to think about those things.

Yep. And I think there's something off in wholesale chastising other women for not taking precautions. It's a hard line to walk.

We live in a society that allows that kind of attitude to go on, mostly unchecked. How we deal with that fact is an issue on a micro level, but we are still called to dismantle those macro structures.

Word.
angearia
Dec. 15th, 2011 03:52 am (UTC)
NIFTY. I've been thinking a lot about the intersectionality of individual/society, too, so I'm happy to glomp onto this new terminology of micro/macro.

re: Mills: I'm gonna reference that next time I hear someone talk about "victim feminism". >:-[

Consciousness raising ♥ The path to self-actualization.

OMG ROSSI MARRY ME. Oppression --> depression? Existential angst? Why, that's just kooky enough to make sense!

I do not believe that acknowledging these facts is inherently disempowering. Because that is the macro, the society.

YES

I think feminism is best when it's acknowledging the micro while addressing the macro. I think that micro concerns can be red herrings in feminist discussions, though, because it's not about the individuals. It's about the structures. No matter how much I read, I still keep coming back to that.

Great point. Thanks for saying so. This lingo reminds me of the usefulness of Doylist/Watsonion designations. Helps to keep people talking past each other, also it helps to keep me from getting turned around when people conflate things that should not be conflated and my brain goes whirrrrrr.

Arguments about whether feminists can shave their legs or wear heels are pointless. It's not about those individual women.

Right. And this is a useful discussion when figuring out how an individual reconciles their personal choices with their ideology. And I mean, okay, "personal is political," so there is going to be overlap. I think ultimately changing the system is about change emerging from many directions -- so both micro and macro.
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:06 am (UTC)
Have you read C. Wright Mill's 'The Sociological Imagination'? It's pretty much required reading for soci majors (I've been assigned to read it in a couple classes). It's a pretty good articulation of how to approach things like this.

OMG ROSSI MARRY ME.

Haha! I actually have some issues with Rossi, but I dig that particular excerpt. She's on point, there.

Why, that's just kooky enough to make sense!

LOVE FOR YOUR BRAIN

Great point. Thanks for saying so. This lingo reminds me of the usefulness of Doylist/Watsonion designations. Helps to keep people talking past each other, also it helps to keep me from getting turned around when people conflate things that should not be conflated and my brain goes whirrrrrr.

*nods*

It's why so many discussions turn into clusterfucks.
angearia
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:22 am (UTC)
I have not! But it's going on my "to read" list.

When will I learn to stop marrying people for saying feminist things I like? SO MANY IMAGINARY MARRIAGES LET ME TELL YOU. (~Some more problematic than others. i.e. our marriage is A+)

Speaking of clusterfucks... have I mentioned my many imaginary marriages?
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:24 am (UTC)
The Sociological Imagination is a paper rather than a book. You could probably find it online somewhere. :)

Speaking of clusterfucks... have I mentioned my many imaginary marriages?

Marriage is such an oppressive institution. I just fuck 'em.
angearia
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:27 am (UTC)
Looks like there's a book, too. Or might the book be different? Hrrm.
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:29 am (UTC)
Oh. Color me stupid, I've only ever had to read the intro to the book. Whoops!

Good thing the semester ended last week!
angearia
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:32 am (UTC)
*colors you*

Whoops, still smart. I'll try harder next time.

Good thing the semester ended last week!

A book Slayer's job is never finished!

(Mine semester just ended tonight. Or actually when I turn in the essays I just finished writing today, wooo!)
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:34 am (UTC)
Turn those papers in so you can do the Dance of Academic Superiority!
angearia
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:35 am (UTC)
Considering the typos in my above post, I think I should go edit my most recent paper first!

Then, only then shall I dance. :D
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:38 am (UTC)
Whatevs. "Grammar" is just a part of the patriarchal hegemony. I say. roll w\ it?1?888
angearia
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:44 am (UTC)
Can I tell you, I'm just so delighted right now

Chatting with you and ceciliaj is so much fun. This is my "done with school" reward
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:46 am (UTC)
MUWAH!

I'm going to bed, hon. Turn your papers in! *looks stern*
angearia
Dec. 15th, 2011 05:28 am (UTC)
Turned it in!

DONE FOR REALS NOW

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ceciliaj
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:10 am (UTC)
Certainly, I think that rape culture-based victim blaming offers a powerful example where the focus gets mired in the micro (asking women to change their behavior) rather than the marco (objectively the real problem of rapists operating with relative impunity much of the time). However, and this has a lot to do with our disciplinary distinction, with you being a social scientist and me being a humanities person, I have to say that I don't think that this example is illustrative of all feminist questions, or answers. I know you weren't saying that, either -- I guess I'm just trying to carve out the space for the micro as I try to address it as a feminist.

So, the feminist history of literary studies involves, in an important moment, getting more women writers read in the college classroom. Critique from the right: "but are they good? Do we want to read them just because they are women?" (My answer: better than just because you, men, think they rock, but whatever). So, the task became: take on individual female authors, step by step, and argue that some of them ought to be read as literary geniuses (Virginia Woolf alongside Joyce), and others alongside other authors, including men, from their particularly interesting time period, as examples of x or y historical trend. But with that first step, with proclaiming the Woolfs (and Djuna Barnes, and Zora Neale Hurston, and Gertrude Stein) as "genius movers and shakers on aesthetic terms definitely, possibly on social terms as well," there is a concession to the masculinist logic of "great men make history." Sure. BUT at the same time, there is a flipside to the coin: inspiration. If you say "we will read equal numbers of men and women in this course in the interests of representational equality," it will not get anyone except for an already-self-identified feminist interested in the women authors. They will be less likely to have heard of them, they will have fewer tools for talking about them, etc. But if you introduce Woolf as a genius, and demonstrate that she is one, you have given people (except for the most stubborn, reactionary skeptics of feminism) an airtight argument that women's stories are as important/awesome as men's. And for some people, especially people who can't conceptualize social reality due to fairly limited life experience (as many of us have up to a certain age, if not indefinitely), that inspiration is going to be what anchors them in feminism, and what enables them to understand feminist principles, which they may later frame in broader sociological terms. Does that make any sense? Am I rambling? I guess I am just telling you where I am coming from :).

Edited at 2011-12-15 04:12 am (UTC)
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:22 am (UTC)
Hmmmm...I don't know that we're disagreeing, actually. Just coming from different angles (as we do :) ).

Cause what you're describing, I'd kinda fit into the micro "getting along in the current society" part of things. I don't think making progress there is mutually exclusive with attacking the macro structures, though I have more interest in the latter.
ceciliaj
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:27 am (UTC)
Yes! I was not trying to disagree, just insert myself :-D. Actually, I am fairly happy to ally myself to the individual struggle of getting along, although it's hard to quantify where it turns into the macro. For example, it is an individual act for me to assign women writers in classes that don't demand it, but it means that 45 students/quarter buy books by women, are expected to do critical thinking about the ways in which they interpret gendered behavior in fiction and in life, etc. Maybe an analogy would be to, like, green consumption? (Again not disagreeing here, just having you inspire thoughts-o-fun.)
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 04:32 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's where I get into theoretical trouble. The meeting of the micro into the macro. I think, I think, that people with access to those structures have the ability to make that progression. Like, as a professor, you have some amount of power to effect change in the system. It's those micro steps that eventually make up larger macro shifts.

Maybe an analogy would be to, like, green consumption?

Oooh! Yes! Ah, green issues are so frustrating because of this.
itsnotmymind
Dec. 15th, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
I agree with this post--that the macro is important, that people try to discuss the micro in order to avoid acknowledging the existence of oppressive structures. But I'm not sure I entirely agree with it. Because the fact is that I only care about the macro because I care about the micro. I only care about female bodies being highly sexualized because I know that this cultural norm hurts actual people on the micro level. Personally, my biggest reason for opposing victim blaming for rape is a micro reason: empathy for the person who had something horrible happen to them and is being told (or worse, is telling themselves) that it's their fault.

Also, I think any macro view of society is going to be filtered through the micro--through the personal experiences and perception of the person who is describing the society and what factors of this society that need to change. I've had some personal experiences that are so weird that it's to explain them to people who weren't involved. So often, when I try to fit my personal experiences into anyone else's view of our society, I find myself cutting something out, or misrepresenting something.

Obviously, I'm not talking about feminism here, but for me...I can't just be a feminist. I believe in equality for women, and I believe that we exist in a society that is biased in favor of men, and I try to object to that in my day-to-day life, I really respect people who, in various ways, try to fight that aspect of society. But, I personally, can't consider that my primary complaint against my society. That's just acknowledging one aspect of my life, and of my society.
angearia
Dec. 15th, 2011 07:58 pm (UTC)
Obviously, I'm not talking about feminism here, but for me...I can't just be a feminist.

Sorry, I was reading comments and this feels like it came out of left-field. I don't think anyone's just being a feminist, though? I've yet to see anyone say that ideology explains all the problematic issues in the world, or that it's the most important thing to consider to the exclusion of all other lines of thought.
itsnotmymind
Dec. 15th, 2011 10:35 pm (UTC)
I don't think gabrielleabelle was saying that. I think I meandered a little off topic there, sorry. gabrielleabelle was talking about macro vs. micro in the context of feminism, and I was talking about it terms of feminism but also in terms of other issues, and I was explaining that and explaining why. Which in retrospect may have been unnecessary, but I'm not very good at gauging which information I need to give people when I'm having conversations on the internet. Sorry about that.
gabrielleabelle
Dec. 15th, 2011 08:36 pm (UTC)
Because the fact is that I only care about the macro because I care about the micro.

No, I agree with you. This post is mainly about the theoretical side of things. My personal investment in feminism is based on the micro. However, in terms of, like, strategy? I think it's more relevant to pay attention to the macro.

That's my deal, though. Other people will think differently, and I think that's a good thing. Theory as an aggregate works because there are a myriad of different approaches. :)
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