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Episode Poll: 4.14 Goodbye, Iowa

I'm posting this one early as I don't know what my schedule's gonna be like tomorrow.

So, Goodbye, Iowa! I know everybody's been looking forward to getting over with this one!

Forgive the lack of graphic. I'm still on my netbook and don't have access to the image I made as my computer's still being a jerk and not working. Imagine, if you will, an image of Riley being sweaty with the episode number (4.14) and title (Goodbye, Iowa) over it.




1. I utterly failed to put this on the last poll, so cast your mind back to The I in Team. Specifically, the sexy Buffy/Riley part. How does that scene stack up for you in terms of hotness? (1 = Not at all hot; 10 = OMG SO FREAKING HOT!)

Mean: 4.54 Median: 4 Std. Dev 2.49
1
10(12.8%)
2
10(12.8%)
3
13(16.7%)
4
8(10.3%)
5
6(7.7%)
6
10(12.8%)
7
11(14.1%)
8
6(7.7%)
9
2(2.6%)
10
2(2.6%)

2. The old woman that Riley pulls a gun on in Willy's bar: Human?

Human
27(35.1%)
Vampire
7(9.1%)
Not a vampire, but she was a demon.
43(55.8%)

3. Some have suggested that Riley's early attraction to Buffy being strong and showing leadership ability was programmed into him by Maggie Walsh so that he'd obey her. What say you?

Yeah, that makes sense.
9(10.7%)
What? No way.
60(71.4%)
Not sure.
15(17.9%)

4. This seems an appropriate time. Which of the Initiative soldiers do you like best?

Riley
33(39.3%)
Forrest
18(21.4%)
Graham
28(33.3%)
Don't make me choose! They're all so dreamy!
5(6.0%)

5. Pretend you're a movie reviewer and give this episode a star rating:

***** (Five stars)
1(1.2%)
**** (Four stars)
7(8.6%)
*** (Three stars)
45(55.6%)
** (Two stars)
24(29.6%)
* (One star)
4(4.9%)



Comments

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gryfndor_godess
Oct. 3rd, 2011 11:45 pm (UTC)
I don't even remember what happens in this episode. So all I answered was #4 (assuming you mean physically? It's hard to argue that any of them beat Riley personality-wise). And damn, I just Googled and realized that I put Forrest when I meant to put Graham. See, that's how little I like and remember of the end of S4. I can't even keep track of Riley's Flotsam and Jetsam (or would they be Maggie's Flotsam and Jetsam?).

People think Walsh programmed Riley's preferences like that?? Ooh, I've never heard that, and it's very interesting. Do we have canon confirmation that she was able to program him mentally, though? I though she only "programmed" him physically, like with steroids. Heh, I don't like Walsh, I don't like Adam, and I don't like Riley, and so I don't remember anything!
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2011 11:57 pm (UTC)
So all I answered was #4 (assuming you mean physically? It's hard to argue that any of them beat Riley personality-wise).

Eh, I meant whichever way works for you. If you like so-and-so best cause of the pretty, then go for it.

People think Walsh programmed Riley's preferences like that?? Ooh, I've never heard that, and it's very interesting. Do we have canon confirmation that she was able to program him mentally, though? I though she only "programmed" him physically, like with steroids. Heh, I don't like Walsh, I don't like Adam, and I don't like Riley, and so I don't remember anything!

rofl!

We get Adam mentioning that Maggie "created" Riley, whatever that means. I don't know that we get any canon confirmation of his personality being altered, though. I think it was just something that viewers at the time threw out there as speculation, but I find it amusing. :)
alexeia_drae
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:03 am (UTC)
Umm...all the season 4 episodes by this point are kinda mushed together for me. Don't remember the women that Riley pulled a gun on. And #3? Huh?
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:26 am (UTC)
Awww, this is the main weak point in the season. There's not excuse for this episode. It just sucks. :/

And #3? Huh?

WASSUP?
gillo
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:05 am (UTC)
Not all episodes can be as good as Hush, Something Blue, A New Man...

1. A little heat, but nowhere near enough to convince me.
2. Old woman in that sort of a bar? Not very likely to be human. I went for general demon, but thinking about it now, I wonder if she's the nice old vampire lady who runs the tea-room in the dump?
3. I don't think Maggie was able to condition Riley mentally like that, but it's possible he had imprinted on strong women.
4. Forrest is pretty enough, but all the Initiative boys are pretty boring really.
5. I gave it three stars, which may have been a bit generous. It was an OK ep devoted to furthering the season arc - in a season in which all the best episodes were a lot more stand-alone.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:27 am (UTC)
2. Ooooh! That would be nifty! I put that she was human because the thought of some old human lady chilling in a demon dive bar amuses me greatly.

4. *nods*

5. *nods again*
snickfic
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:13 am (UTC)
1. Let me put it this way: the first time I tried watching TV on my laptop on an airplane, "The I in Team" was the next ep in my rewatch. I found myself deeply uncomfortable with watching the Buffy/Riley scene with total strangers looking over both shoulders. So.

Riley's definitely the nicest of the Initiative boys, but Forrest has the highest entertainment value, so I voted for him.

gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:28 am (UTC)
rofl! I'd feel the same way if I were in a plane. :)
doublemeat
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:24 am (UTC)
1. Not bad for Briley, but still well below most fully-clothed Spuffy scenes...

2. I thought the writers were trying to imply she was human, but I could see demon too. Wouldn't it be ironic if she was some kind of mass murderer?

3. I think Maggie was relying on the drugs and the chip.

4. Is it bad that I prefer Graham to Riley? He seemed like a pretty decent guy.

5. Three stars, but I think one of 'em is charity.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:29 am (UTC)
1. That's a fact. *nods*

2. Ironic...and AWESOME.

4. Terrible. Absolutely terrible. How dare you!

5. It is. This is a two star episode.
molly_may
Oct. 4th, 2011 01:08 am (UTC)
This episode escaped getting one star from me due to the fact that I only give one star ratings to the episodes that actively piss me off, but man, I think it's a serious contender for Most Boring Episode Ever.

Don't make me choose! They're all so dreamy!

It's so hard to convey sarcasm through a tickybox choice, but I feel like I've accomplished it here. :)
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 01:37 am (UTC)
I think it's a serious contender for Most Boring Episode Ever.

It truly is.

I especially black-out whenever Adam comes on screen. My eyes glaze over.

It's so hard to convey sarcasm through a tickybox choice, but I feel like I've accomplished it here. :)

rofl!
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eowyn_315
Oct. 4th, 2011 02:00 am (UTC)
The old woman that Riley pulls a gun on in Willy's bar: Human?

I have absolutely no memory of this scene! But looking at the shooting script to refresh my memory, it says she's "a drunk, but no demon," ergo: human.

Some have suggested that Riley's early attraction to Buffy being strong and showing leadership ability was programmed into him by Maggie Walsh so that he'd obey her.

o_O

People say this? Weird. Also, eww.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 11:40 am (UTC)
I have absolutely no memory of this scene!

Apparently, not many people do. :)

But looking at the shooting script to refresh my memory, it says she's "a drunk, but no demon," ergo: human.

Yes! I chose the correct answer!
owenthurman
Oct. 4th, 2011 02:06 am (UTC)
Between the yummy sushi pajamas and the glasses she wears with the lab coat, Buffy has never been cuter than in this episode.

Three-and-a-half inch floppies like Adam's data port were already long obsolete by the time this episode aired.

This is the last time we ever see the charming Willy. The Alibi Room doesn't seem the same without him.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 11:48 am (UTC)
Three-and-a-half inch floppies like Adam's data port were already long obsolete by the time this episode aired.

Well, of course. That's why he'd stick them in there and they'd NEVER COME OUT. He's recycling.
samsom
Oct. 4th, 2011 02:08 am (UTC)
Mixing up the poll nights, I like it! Keeps things fresh. :D

1. I went with 3. Aesthetically they looked good together, and the slow motion was supposed to engender a sense of "whoa, hot" in me, but the bottom line was I never thought Riley was personally magnetic, so it was like a romance novel cover - pretty but nothing of substance underneath.

2. She was in Willy's, a demon bar. So if she wasn't a vampire, she was probably a demon.

3. That's...quite the stretch. Imma go with "no way."

4. Graham. He seemed...uncomplicated. Refreshingly uncomplicated. And I'm kinda surprised Buffy never got a ping at that time when she was near him - he has a low forehead, broad-almost-bulky through the shoulders...and his hair stuck straight up. I mean, Angel much?

5. Two stars. When they start gearing up the B/R, I sort of zone out on the episodes. *shrugs*
doublemeat
Oct. 4th, 2011 02:43 am (UTC)
And I'm kinda surprised Buffy never got a ping at that time when she was near him

Yeah, Graham seems more like her type than Riley... but Graham + Buffy = Gruffy, which sounds like she's dating a crime dog.

I completely agree on #1. Aesthetically it's a good scene and the camera work is effective, but Riley might as well be a mannequin.
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treadingthedark
Oct. 4th, 2011 02:57 am (UTC)
1. Offensively not-hot.

2. Demon-never occurred to me she might be human.

3.Never thought of it. Honestly, I can't remember a whole lot of this episode. Not on my frequent re-watch list. There must have been a good Spike part though. You'd think I'd at least remember that!

4. Riley, just because we knew him. And Forrest turned out to be a butthead.

5. One star. The helicopter chase just irritates the hell out of me.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 11:55 am (UTC)
3. Alas, Spike only has a small role in this episode. *sigh*

5. There's a helicopter chase? I don't recall that...
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fenchurche
Oct. 4th, 2011 03:13 am (UTC)
1. I think it was supposed to be really sexy, but they hadn't done enough to sell me on Buffy/Riley to begin with and then add in the creepy voyeurism going on and, um, yeah... not as hot as it should have been.

3. I'd never heard that particular theory, but it would make some sense.

4. I really liked Graham. I wish we'd gotten to see more of him. I wanted to like Forrest (because, let's face it, Leonard Roberts is pretty hot), but wow he was annoying.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 11:57 am (UTC)
4. Yeah, Forrest suffers from a bad personality. Dude hates on Buffy. Unforgivable. *shakes head*
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menomegirl
Oct. 4th, 2011 03:19 am (UTC)
This episode is worth 4 stars just because Xander asked if he could have sex with Riley too.

*G*
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 11:58 am (UTC)
:)
vampluvr1753
Oct. 4th, 2011 03:22 am (UTC)
1-Not that hot, but that's mostly 'cause Riley was there. Though, I thought that it was strange that this wasn't seen or at least eluded to again. I half expected this after her little late-night slaying in the beginning of the first episode of the next season, but... I digress.

2-Not a vamp but really not sure whether she's a demon or not but Willy's never seemed like a place that a human would hang out... unless she's a demon/vampire groupie.

3-Not programmed into, but he would have needed to demonstrate the willingness to follow orders without question to join in Initiative, and Maggie would have certainly exploited that fact.

4-Graham returns eventually and takes Riley with him!!! I never thought any of them were anything close to dreamy.

5-This episode is slightly watchable, but the momentary scene with Tara and the quips of the Spike along with finally letting us in on what/who Adam is makes it a 3.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 11:59 am (UTC)
Though, I thought that it was strange that this wasn't seen or at least eluded to again.

That the sex wasn't eluded to? Why would it be?

2. Oooh! Maybe she's an older lady hoping to get vamped so she can live forever!
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ever_neutral
Oct. 4th, 2011 04:13 am (UTC)
1. LIKE, MINUS A MILLION. But I'm in a generous mood, so I gave them a two.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:00 pm (UTC)
Hahahaha! So very generous. :)
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gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2011 12:00 pm (UTC)
Wow, not a lot of love for the Riley/Buffy sex scene.

Yeah, I didn't expect there would be. :)
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