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Of Souls and Spuffy

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Hey guys! My double test day is over with so now I can finally do this poll I've been sitting on! Recent discussions have me curious about the general shape of Spuffy fandom right now as it pertains to Spike's soul status. So let's poll this bad boy. I've included a separate question for non-Spuffy fans, just for inclusiveness and comparison's sake.

For the purposes of this poll, you are a Spuffy fan if you consider yourself a Spuffy fan. I think the poll is pretty self-explanatory other than that. The first question may be tricky if you get hung up on, "Well, it didn't happen in canon, so..." but the basic gist is if you think their canon characterizations make such a relationship viable, despite the fact that canon events didn't quite pan out that way.

If you're a Spuffy fan, skip the second question. If you're not a Spuffy fan, skip the first question. Comment and discuss. Be awesome. Go!

Poll #1706195
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 179

FOR SPUFFY FANS: Do you think a productive romantic relationship between Buffy and unsouled Spike is feasible in canon?

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Yes
84 (54.2%)
No
50 (32.3%)
Not sure
21 (13.5%)

FOR EVERYBODY ELSE: Do you think a productive romantic relationship between Buffy and unsouled Spike is feasible in canon?

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Yes
6 (18.2%)
No
22 (66.7%)
Not sure
5 (15.2%)

Do you enjoy reading fanfic that pairs Buffy up with an unsouled Spike? Assume we're talking good quality fanfic here.

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Yes
139 (80.3%)
No
10 (5.8%)
I don't read Spuffy fanfic
18 (10.4%)
I don't read fanfic at all
6 (3.5%)

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gabrielleabelle
Feb. 19th, 2011 05:26 am (UTC)
Did your comment get cut off?
lakrids404
Feb. 19th, 2011 08:42 pm (UTC)
That was a polite formulated question :)

No, not really. It was more me, who wrote something when I really should have gone to bed, sorry.

What I meant to say, was that unsouled Spike had huge history of a atrocities against people. That even if he truly loved Buffy, which I think he did in his way, or as Drusilla said "Oh, we can, you know. We can love quite well... if not wisely"
That makes it hard for me to see, that Buffy could fall in love with a mass-murder.
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 19th, 2011 08:56 pm (UTC)
I don't know about that aspect. She fell in love with Angel, who was - according to the show - far worse than Spike on the mass-murderer scale.
lakrids404
Feb. 19th, 2011 09:28 pm (UTC)
She fell in love Angel, when he had soul, and no a soul doesn't make one a good person, Warren I am looking at you. But without a soul, vampires kills and torture with a smile on their face, so yes Angel imperfections and morale failings did influence who Angulus were, but you can't blame Angel for what the Angelus did. For me are they two person in the same body, except it's more complicated than that.

So out from this, could Angel logical say, that he had no part of what Angelus did, but he has all memories of Angelus, and what are we if not the sum of our memories?.

See evt. from the Atpbtvs site Deconstructing Angel
gabrielleabelle
Feb. 19th, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
Okay, but you were positing the "mass murderer" part as being the dealbreaker for Buffy when it clearly isn't. Even when Angel returns in S3 - after having murdered Jenny, tortured Giles, and emotionally tormented her - she still takes up a relationship with him. So Buffy is not opposed to dating someone with blood on their hands.

Now, you can posit that not having a soul is a dealbreaker. I'd tend to agree with that sentiment, though I think this dealbreaker originates in her experiences with Angel more than anything else.
lakrids404
Feb. 19th, 2011 10:23 pm (UTC)
Sorry if I was not clear, could be because that English is not my first language.

I think like Buffy, that what Angelus did, Angel can't be blamed for. That Giles perhaps can see the logic in that, but not emotionally (very understandably), is that what Angelus did can't be blame Angel.

So yes, I agree with Buffy, the soul is the deal breaker

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