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Women, Connected Again

Good gosh, guys! Yesterday and Friday I was running a mega-fever which left me with no recourse but to stay in bed and watch S4 of Buffy all day between naps. Then today I wake up and BOOM! Better! What a bizarrely strange and fortuitous recovery.

I have been trying for the past week to get this finished up, but various scholastic and health impediments kept...um...impeding me. But I'm taking advantage of my non-fevered state to get it all finished up.

Thanks to some feedback on my Women, Connected post, I have a couple things for you. For one, I realized - as I knew I would - that some characters were left off the originals that shouldn't have been. Chantarelle/Lily/Anne, Olivia, the individual potentials, among others. I wanted to add those ladies in.

Also, someone said it would be interesting to see a similar chart for the male characters, and I agree. For comparative purposes. Does having such a female-heavy structure mean that the men's relationships get overlooked? Is this an either/or thing?

So, I got some new charts for you guys under ye old cut! :)



First, the revised ladies of BtVS. It became unwieldy to do in 800x600, so if you click on the image, it'll take you to a larger version.



And now, the men. Again, click the image to see the larger version.



The male characters aren't as centralized around one main character (such as Buffy or Willow), but the connections are quite numerous and intense. It is noteworthy that there are a good number of lone male characters without any connections to other guys, though.

To ensure I didn't overlook any character, I consulted good ol' Wikipedia's character list. Any character that was on that list and appeared in more than one episode made the cut. Wikipedia did list a few characters that were only present in one episode (such as Veruca or Cassie), but I felt I had to draw a line on the episode rule.

The connections were a bit more subjective. It's based on relationships, which can be difficult to gauge. However, I was pretty strict on that standard. An interaction does not equal a relationship. Olivia and Buffy interact once in The Freshman, but I don't feel that adds up to an actual relationship. We're trying to get away from the low standards of "Two women talked to each other! Yay!" to get at something more substantial.

However, I'm sure there'll be some disagreement on my assessments, especially when it comes to the line width (which indicates the intensity of the relationship). It happens. These are rough illustrations, as noted in the original post.

But let's see how Buffy stacks up to other shows! I used both Star Trek: TNG and Babylon 5 for comparison last time. I'm doing so again this time. Also, while I used Wikipedia for the characters, I'm going very much from memory for the relationships, so I claim only tenuous confidence in the accuracy. :)

The ladies of TNG:



As you can see, I'd missed some characters last time. As you can also see, they wouldn't have made much of a difference.

Now the men:



Yep. Onto the B5 ladies. Last time, I missed Anna Sheridan. So I just added her on this one:



And the men. Getting the characters was difficult as B5 has so many minor male characters coming and going. I limited it to the ones I have a fairly clear memory of. Which is still a good number.



There you go! I feel so much better now that I finally got that done. Whew!

Oh, and I don't hold ownership over the concept or anything. Feel free to make similar charts for other shows if you like. No need to credit. :)


Comments

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gryfndor_godess
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:31 pm (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the Picard-Q line thicker than the Picard-Riker line? :)

Glad you're feeling better!
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
It is. I tend to think Q had a way of getting under Picard's skin so that their relationship was much more intense than Picard and Riker's friendship. Also, Picard and Rikey never woke up in bed together. ;)
angearia
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:33 pm (UTC)
Awesomesauce. :D

Now let's make charts just for Spike! Yes, this was my exact thought when I saw Spike on the men's chart. I just thought it'd maybe be interesting to see his relationships presented in chart form.

Oh, oh, and Veruca was in more than one episode. Remember that one time she bumped shoulders with Oz and they gazed at each other intensely, recognizing their inner wolfiness? Yeah. That was clearly significant. Whoo daddy.
angearia
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC)
Also, I'm glad you're feeling better! Sounds like the fever got hot and heavy, but did it's job and you're all better. Yay for being better!
blackfrancine
Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
Gah! Is that Numfar dance of joy/shame icon?! It is glorious.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:36 pm (UTC)
Dammit, Veruca! I'd totally watched those episodes, too, but I just kinda forgot about Veruca's lead-up appearances!

Well, she'd have a connection to Willow, then.

*sulks*
angearia
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
*huggles*

You're still the best! Charts! Charts!

Also, Spike charts... I'm just throwing it out there in case anyone feels inspired.
elisi
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:40 pm (UTC)
Mmmm, very interesting! If I had the time I'd totally make some for Torchwood and Doctor Who, although I think the former would have far more connections, just overall - DW has a tendency to do women one after the other, rather than at the same time. ETA: OTOH, then the Doctor has FAR more female companions than male, so the male chart would be pretty empty too...

Edited at 2010-10-03 09:14 pm (UTC)
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:22 pm (UTC)
The structure of the show will definitely affect the outcome of the chart. Dr. Who typically has a small cast at any one time, though they come in contact with a lot of one-shot characters. I don't know how effective this particular concept would be for such a show.
dragonflylady77
Oct. 3rd, 2010 08:54 pm (UTC)
So much charts love on this page!!!

Glad you're strangely and fortuitously feeling better!!

&hearts
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:23 pm (UTC)
:)
pocochina
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
Nifty charts!

It's kind of making me think about male-female non-romantic relationships. Like, the complex webs mean that there's not a bunch of guys and The Girlfriends, if that makes sense. The fact that Giles has different, interesting, and non-romantic interactions with Buffy, Drusilla, and Anya (and the idea of Giles/Anya is pretty thoroughly lampooned in Tabula Rasa) is a step past a lot of shows on its own.

Glad you're doing better.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:24 pm (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing. One of the pluses about BtVS is that it shows a variety of relationships, regardless of gender.
local_max
Oct. 3rd, 2010 10:30 pm (UTC)
Lampooned! Tabula Rasa is demonstration of why Giles/Anya is meant to be!

/weird shipping preferences
beer_good_foamy
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:03 pm (UTC)
Missed the first one, so this is really cool. And glad you're feeling better!

Maybe I'm being an idiot, though, but I can't for the life of me recognize the unconnected woman on the top left in the BtVS chart...?
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:11 pm (UTC)
That's Katrina! You need to hand in your Buffy Fan badge now.
beer_good_foamy
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:15 pm (UTC)
I thought it might be, but I figured Katrina and Buffy at least had a little bit of a connection, what with Buffy thinking she'd killed her and all, but...
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:26 pm (UTC)
Hmmmm...I almost had a line between them, but I thought that Katrina being dead at the time precluded any substantial relationship between the two. There's a connection, yeah, but not enough of one to count as a relationship for me.
me_llamo_nic
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)
Buffy can heal anything. Trufax.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
That's the conclusion I came to.
me_llamo_nic
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:31 pm (UTC)
The healing powers are the latest in a long line of things (vision quest in the desert, sacrificed for humanity, death and resurrection) supporting my theory that Buffy is Jesus. I may have to write meta about it. =)
me_llamo_nic
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:42 pm (UTC)
But has anyone seen them in the same place at the same time? Why else would he hunt vampires unless he was a Slayer in disguise.

Other potential Jesuseseses in pop culture: Harry Potter and Jack Harkness. There should be a TV show where we vote for our savior.
beer_good_foamy
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:47 pm (UTC)
Well, in Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter, Jesus at one point beats up bad guys in two different places at once. He can do this since, duh, he's Jesus and he's everywhere.

But on the other hand, let's see... Jesus has issues with crosses, gets up again if you bury him, offers eternal life if you drink his blood, and I've seen several pictures of him walking on water where you didn't see a reflection. Hmmm.
local_max
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:43 pm (UTC)
Data was the father of the bride at Miles' wedding and there's no connection between the two? /geek

In general though I love it!
local_max
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:44 pm (UTC)
Also: why no connection between Murk and Ben?
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 09:52 pm (UTC)
My memory of O'Brien's time on TNG is fuzzy. I just didn't remember that.

Ah, same with Murk and Ben. Though I did think about it when I was planning things out, it slipped my mind in actual execution. Ah well.
local_max
Oct. 3rd, 2010 10:39 pm (UTC)
No prob!

There are a few other nits to pick--I would have at least some connection between Caleb and Xander, for example, because Caleb knew who he was ("the one who sees everything, aren't you?") and I doubt Xander's exactly going to forget his encounter. And Adam and Riley were quasi-brothers, albeit weird and estranged. And Snyder was working for the Mayor. And Willy worked for Spike in What's My Line. But overall it's not such a big deal--you got the important connections there!
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 10:56 pm (UTC)
Huh. I thought I'd linked up Riley and Adam. Must've forgot. Same with Willy and Spike.

I'd dispute the others, though. Xander and Caleb have no real relationship. Yes, Caleb wounded him and had some intelligence on his role, but that doesn't make it a relationship. Snyder and the Mayor are pretty ambiguous, though a tenuous connection could be argued. They might could use a line.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:09 pm (UTC)
Oh, if you F5, I went all sneaky and added in the ones I'd forgotten. Only on the larger image, not the small one. *iz a ninja*
ever_neutral
Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:04 pm (UTC)
Charts good, lines pretty. :)
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2010 01:19 am (UTC)
:)
blackfrancine
Oct. 3rd, 2010 11:57 pm (UTC)
I love these charts--but I'm going to go insane unless someone tells me who the woman in the top left corner of the Buffy Ladies chart is. I KNOW her. But I can't figure out who she is. Help me.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2010 01:20 am (UTC)
Katrina! :)
blackfrancine
Oct. 4th, 2010 01:22 am (UTC)
Of course! Katrina! How silly of me. Whew. I feel better now. Thank you.

And I really do love these charts.
bobthemole
Oct. 4th, 2010 08:33 am (UTC)
Y'know wos funny? I couldn't recognize that picture the last time I saw this chart. But since then I read a fic that had a brief scene with her (just text, no pic). And now I see the chart and all of a sudden, "Of course, that looks like Katrina."

Weird brain of mine.
alexeia_drae
Oct. 4th, 2010 12:29 am (UTC)
Glad you're feeling better! Something is going around, I know so many people who are ill right now.

And now Dr Polanski is joined by her lonesomeness with Tasha Yar.
gabrielleabelle
Oct. 4th, 2010 01:20 am (UTC)
Dude, I was just dead yesterday. Couldn't get up at all. Ugh, it was miserable. I'm thankful for the fast turnaround, though a bit wary of it's suddenness.

alexeia_drae
Oct. 4th, 2010 02:11 am (UTC)
Someone above said having a high fever probably helped. Most people now try to bring it down with tylenol when really it's better to let it burn itself out unless it gets dangerously high. So hopefully the turnaround is permanent.
aerintine
Oct. 4th, 2010 03:56 am (UTC)
These are really cool to see. I always think of BtVS having a huge web of relationships, but seeing it laid out is really quite the thing. Makes me sad for the characters in these other shows.

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Oct. 18th, 2010 11:46 am (UTC)
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reverancepavane
Oct. 18th, 2010 03:59 pm (UTC)

It would be interesting to see how you weight the cross-gender cohort relationships as well. Following the optimum path (widest road through least number of intermediaries) on these shows would, I suspect, definitely show that on most shows (other than Buffy), the female/female relationship would pale with respect to the same female/female relationship with one (or more) male intermediaries. But it would be interesting to see how that actually would turn out.

foreverdirt
Nov. 15th, 2010 10:41 pm (UTC)
Fascinating! Thank you for making these -- the B5 one, in particular, is really stark. I really hope other people take you up on making more of these (and perhaps I will be one of them!) as it's clearly an effective way to track certain trends.
gabrielleabelle
Nov. 16th, 2010 04:58 pm (UTC)
I was surprised by the B5 one, because I've always been a fan of the women of B5. However, while they were undeniably awesome, they just didn't interact much with each other.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed. I encourage others to play with the concept. :)
mejoff
Nov. 16th, 2010 11:39 pm (UTC)
It's very odd, because I always remember thinking how much better the female characters in B5 were than in TNG, but as you say, it turns out they had very little to do with each other.

On a different note, it's also interesting to see that Sinclair has only one relationship worthy of a line, despite having commanded the station for a whole season... Distant guy!
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