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This might seem like an odd poll at first, but do read this explanation before taking. It should clarify the intent.
It's an easy bet that if I asked my flist if they're fans of BtVS, most people would say they are. Duh. However, I've been pondering for a while on the intricacies of that. A good number of people seem to be fans of the characters or concepts, but not so much of the actual events that may have happened. This is especially noticeable when you get to S6 and S7, which some fans are apt to write off entirely.
So here's the question on this one: As a whole, did you like the narrative of BtVS? Starting from the first moments of Welcome to the Hellmouth all the way to Buffy's smile in Chosen, did you dig it? Of course, everybody's gonna have some parts they disliked. That's natural. But does the good outweigh the bad so that you can sit back, look at all seven seasons, and say, "Yeah. That was a good story"?
*Given that I don't read the comics, we're just working with TV canon here.
And because I'm feeling slightly evil, I'm limiting your options to a strict yes/no answer. Choose which one is closest to your opinion. If you find yourself having to exclude whole swaths of seasons in order to think positively on the story, you're probably gonna have to choose "no".
After voting (and possibly commenting), check out the AtS edition of this poll.
Poll #1605803
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 137
This might seem like an odd poll at first, but do read this explanation before taking. It should clarify the intent.
It's an easy bet that if I asked my flist if they're fans of BtVS, most people would say they are. Duh. However, I've been pondering for a while on the intricacies of that. A good number of people seem to be fans of the characters or concepts, but not so much of the actual events that may have happened. This is especially noticeable when you get to S6 and S7, which some fans are apt to write off entirely.
So here's the question on this one: As a whole, did you like the narrative of BtVS? Starting from the first moments of Welcome to the Hellmouth all the way to Buffy's smile in Chosen, did you dig it? Of course, everybody's gonna have some parts they disliked. That's natural. But does the good outweigh the bad so that you can sit back, look at all seven seasons, and say, "Yeah. That was a good story"?
*Given that I don't read the comics, we're just working with TV canon here.
And because I'm feeling slightly evil, I'm limiting your options to a strict yes/no answer. Choose which one is closest to your opinion. If you find yourself having to exclude whole swaths of seasons in order to think positively on the story, you're probably gonna have to choose "no".
After voting (and possibly commenting), check out the AtS edition of this poll.
Poll #1605803
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 137
Did you like the overall story that BtVS told?
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There is little (if any) of the narrative that I actually don't enjoy. (I've accepted that I'm in the minority on this.)
Can't do the Angel poll cos I've only seen most of season 5...
On a most basic level, I think if you have more than 10 favorite episodes of a show (which I do for Buffy), it's safe to say you like the narrative. :P
While I don't like every episode and every season, I love BtVS as a whole. As I said at the AtS poll there are a lot of BtVS characters I can't stand, definitely more than the characters I love but the ones I love...they make it worth it. And as a whole I think the show was really good, deeper then it seems, fun but serious when it should be, sad but amusing too, supernatural and painfully real. It wouldn've been one of the best shows out there but Spike made it the best! *g*
heart-lightedlight-hearted answer*Yes! ♥ I sure like it, and the parts I immensely disliked (which is, what, less than 5%?) I can always fanwank into liking. :) I'm mostly thinking the drug metaphor here.
While Tolkien's more neatly closed off, Buffy has the sort of finish that's undone through the artists' reach exceeding their grasp ("or what's a Heaven for?"). BtVS has the right kind of flaws where it has flaws. It's always more than the sum of the parts.
Edited at 2010-08-15 01:19 pm (UTC)
For me, the story had an amazing beginning, a strong if sometimes controversial middle, but a slightly weak ending. Still, the overall narrative was a very enjoyable one, so I definitely vote yes (and hope that Whedon can improve on the ocmics to provide a better ending).
I would love to find a link to this, but someone told me about how Joss checked in when Faith had been introduced to S7. The writers were busy trying to figure out what would happen with the First and all now that Faith was there. And Joss was like, "Huh? Dudes, Faith's back! How do the other characters react to that? What's going on there?"
That kinda clarified one of my main issues with S7 in that the focus was off.
On the other hand, I still think it managed to hold together because of the strength of the resonance of the ending, which ties the whole narrative of the series together. So while the end is shaky, it's still successful for me.
There are big black holes in the greatness of the plot for me; I don't DISlike Seasons 1-4 and 7, but the only ones I can say I really LOVED were Seasons 5 and 6... mainly because Dawn and Spike are my favourite characters and they had really significant roles in those seasons (and no, I'm not talking about the many naked!Spike scenes in S6, although they certainly didn't hurt ;D).
As a whole, I find I dislike most of the characters in BtVS (most notably, Xander and Giles) for one reason or another, and those traits just bug the heck outta me and I can't enjoy many of their positive aspects. Not that this really impacts the STORY any, but it DOES detract from the overall enjoyment of the show. I spend so much time during the plot thinking "What the hell did s/he do that for? Can't s/he see that's just making it worse?!" (Xander is the most common offender in this regard - Becoming pt.2 ["Kick his ass"] and Into the Woods [where the hell does he get off making Buffy feel like it's her fault?!] being my most hated Xander scenes).
And then there are the characters that I just find so boring and whose story arcs I wanna zap through *coughAngelandRileycough* when I watch them.
The thing that Buffy does for me is mainly villains. S1's Darla villain, S2's Spike/Dru/Angelus combination and S5's Glory made the story worth watching for me. Season 6 was great character development for the Scoobies, where the villains were lacking, but Season 7 just keeled over and died a horrible death; the only thing that made that Season watch-able was watching Spike struggle with his soul.
...I just realised how much I hate most of the characters, and now I find it weird how much I enjoy the show...
Btw, I actually like S6 and S7 more than the rest of the series.
I don't know about Angel.