I wouldn't be surprised if it was established fanon from back before we saw any Spike sex scenes - after all, he spends most of his time outside of the bedroom unable to shut up, especially in S4/early S5. But I don't know!

It's... probably not the best example.

But he did a lot of talking during the scene in Seeing Red.

Also, titles don't establish context. My eyes bugged out of my head when this showed up on my friends list, before I actually did any reading.

Maybe it's just common for fic writers to want Spike to be talkative and so they make it happen, possibly without meaning to. I think that quite a lot of people like the way Spike talks and so it just gets worked in.

Sort of how I like the idea of Buffy falling in love with Faith and so I just work it in. It's like writing a pairing only in this case the pairing is Spike/Words.

But didn't he talk a lot during his sex scenes with the Buffybot? I mean, it's been a while since I saw "Intervention" but from what I remember, there was a lot of flirty talk during their foreplay, as well as that tender "You know I can't bite you" exchange. I know this was only one episode and his partner was a robot but ... well ... it's all I've got to work with. :P

Here's my reason why:

Buffy looks at Spike for a moment, resumes kissing him. More moaning. Spike turns her around and lays her down on a conveniently placed pillow, lies on top of her. He moves down to kiss her neck. Buffy moans again. Spike lifts himself up to look at her.

SPIKE: I knew. I knew the only thing better than killing a slayer would be f-
BUFFY: What?!

Buffy shoves him away and gets up angrily, moves a few feet away. Spike remains sprawled on the floor.


Spike can't keep his mouth shut. Like ever. Not if he has something to say. So if his mouth isn't otherwise occupied with activities, I imagine him either growling or groaning or exclaiming.

I think it's just that Spike's a talker. And we expect it goes over into when he's having sex.

Canon or no canon to support it, I just think he would. It just seems...Spike. I mean, since we do have the nonverbal sex scenes in S.6, I guess I can imagine him being quiet during sex, but it doesn't seem like him unless he were having a "William moment." I rather think that goes hand-in-hand with BtVS airing on UPN and not Showtime. Had there been no censors to please, Spike's vulgarity would have likely shot through the room.

Hmmm...

Interesting.

*strokes chin meaningfully*

Well, if you count kissing as sex (which since it's TV, I think you must) then Spike is often breaking off to talk some more. He talks during the sexytimes with Harmony, the Bot, and Anya. He talks in the morning of Wrecked, on the balcony in Dead Things, in the bathroom in Seeing Red (NOT sex!). He talks at pretty much every opportunity, although there is sometimes swelling music, or no sound from the surveillance cam, or the camera cuts away pretty quickly. He's shocked in Smashed (also swelling music), we don't have sound for Doublemeat Palace. In Gone he isn't saying much for the 5 heavenly seconds that we see (but I suspect that Buffy being blinvisible might've thrown him off his game a bit), and under the carpets in Dead Things flashbacks he does appear to be concentrating on the task at hand (swelling music). Since we don't see much actual sex (although it sometimes feels as if we do), we have to go by the sex-like activities, which usually come with plenty of bandinage on his part.

In the sex scenes we see in the show, he's pretty darn quiet.

But how about if we use that to prove he's not usually? :-) Also not the nicest most sexy or loving example, which is sort of the point: that Spike/Harmony sex scene in "Destiny"? Where Spike is clearly not very emotionally invested and probably thinking of someone else, and grits his teeth and tells her to stop talking because she'll "spoil the moment"? Clearly not his normal M.O.

Spike talks. It's what he does. Among other things.

Huh. You know, I've realized this before, that in fic Spike talks during sex a lot. Just the other day I was thinking that sex talk never really flowed when I was writing, so I don't have talking during sex in my fic, LOL. They talk before sex, after sex, between sex, but not during sex.

i just think that he's so passionate as a person.. he wouldnt be able to be qouite during sex. i mean he's a very romantic poet.. i think buffy forced him to be silent becuase she didnt want the connection to be real.

I have no idea where loquacious laying Spike comes from. I don't mind his nooky nattering in fic as long as it's not completely pointless babbling, but that goes for all dialogue, not just coital chatting.

I think someone up there pointed out that he does talk to Buffy while they're doing it on the balcony at the Bronze. Said talking doesn't seem at all out of canon character during that scene. So, I think it's a reasonable assumption that he wouldn't bother shutting up just 'cause he's having sex. :-P

Back in the day I remember Kalima commenting that after she wrote Mr. Talky Mouth, Spike being a babbly lover suddenly seemed to be the norm. And I remember being abashed, because I'd written a fic that referenced Spike talking muchly during sex.

I don't think it's canon and I don't recall it being a standard in fanfic until Kalima's story. Honestly, I think it was just a fanfic detail that became fanon...like Buffy smelling like vanilla and the fanged foursome being called the scourge of Europe.

Erm, I don't read a whole lot of fic, so I can't say I noticed this trend. But I think maybe it's a first impressions thing? Back in S2 - in fact, I think it might be School Hard - there's a clearly sexualized foreplay scene with Dru where he's not just chatty, he's talking about non-sex stuff while he's very amorously leaning over Dru, who's reaching up for the bedpost (and presumably the cuffs). That, combined with how much Spike conflates fighting with sex, and how much he loves to chat while he hits, suggests that he's a talker in bed.

You know, not only do I not write many sex scenes, I don't actually read many sex scenes either, just skim them. (Who'd have guessed?) I suppose I really didn't notice.

I was actually struck more by the mention that Spike goes down on the Buffybot, which is a rather curious action. It either suggests that he's practicing in hopes of eventually doing the same with Buffy (though I would expect he's familiar in general, and trying to work out what Buffy likes from the Bot is probably a foolish mistake) or that he actually thinks of the Buffybot as a person in and of herself. Odd.

Like many others have said Spike talking a lot is one of his natural traits so it's easy to imagine he does it during sex . I also believe that the mention of "whispering nasties" may have had an influence .

Mmmm... Spike dirty talk! Definitely a huge turn on when well done. Naughty!Spike is ..*air plane arms*

I tend to agree with others that talking is very much Spike's default mode. Certainly it's an important element of foreplay for him - just as much as violence is. So the carrying over into actual sex (and when does one stop and the other begin, anyway? In fanon he gives her a heck of a lot of non-penetrative orgasms. Not that I object.) And the SR scene shows him desperately talking as if that alone will turn her on - which it couldn't.

Perhaps it reflects habits of many writers too? *g*

Spike/Riley (Hey, told you guys I was branching out).

BAHAHA.

This whole post and ensuing comments made my day XD

Yeah. No deep thoughts here.

Thre's a scene between him and Harmony that invoves a panther crawl and a heck of a lot of talking.

Where can I find the spike/buffy fanfics??? I'm new to LJ and I don't really know where to look. Could someone give me a link please???? Many thanks :)