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Oh, fandom. You're just born with it.

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Okay, yes, I'm spending my Saturday evening getting caught up on the recent explosion on [info]metafandom. What of it? After this, I'm probably gonna marathon some more BtVS. Hey! Staying in and watching off-the-air cult fantasy TV shows is cool, dammit!

Anyway, if you missed the latest fandom to-do, here's a pretty good summary of it. Basic recap if you're too lazy to click the link: Couple supposed science guys think our brains function strangely, want to prove it, make up some half-assed, problematic survey for fandom folks, then proceed to FAIL in massive doses when called on their skeevy research methods and "theories". And, as with any good fandom story, it ends in a complete flounce and deletion of all the evidence (Oh! Except for the screencaps that astute fandom folk snapped).

It's amusing.



And you know, I don't get it. I mean, I suppose I can see how some people might look at fandom, as a whole, at a distance and go, "Huh...weird." Because, you know, hey! We're social misfits! We like weird, sci-fi stuff! We write insane amounts of text about TV shows and books! We seemingly randomly pair up completely nonsensical characters, often in gay and kinky ways! I mean, what a bunch of freaks. Obviously, there must be something about the way our brains are wired that makes us all do such crazy, crazy stuff!

But then I look at the dude who obsessively collects Dallas Cowboy memorabilia, paints himself silver and blue to visit Cowboy games, can effortlessly cite every past game and statistic about the team EVER, and has a light-hearted collection of player bobble-heads in his dining room. And...yeah, I don't get that.

Cause every community looks a little strange from the outside.

But from the inside, it's all the same. It's all people. People talking about things they love. People creating. People becoming friends. Sharing lives. Sharing excitement. It's just like any other community.

When I was in 8th grade we read the short story, "Flowers for Algernon" by Daniel Keyes. Then our teacher had us write a short story about what Charlie did after the end of the story. And that...was fanfiction. It wasn't labeled as such. But it was fanfic.

When I worked as a supervisor in retail, one of our cashiers got bored during a slow day and started writing stories with various other employees cast as the characters. These included us supervisors, and often included romantic pairings (that did not exist in real life). They were a big hit, got passed around, and other cashiers tried their hands at using the staff as characters in stories. That was RPF. It was, in some form, fanfic. And these were being written by teenagers who usually did not write.

People have a desire to create. This isn't weird or unusual or anything that needs to be explained as if it were abnormal.

Fandom is a community that includes people that have this desire. And this desire manifests around the object of our fannishness, whatever that may be in a particular fandom. Around that, you get, as in all communities, the people interacting and laughing and joking and sharing and just being people. That's what communities do. Yeah, there's some sexiness. All communities have that, too. All communities have strange rules and rituals and habits and practices that are perfectly understandable to the community but look strange as hell to outsiders. Fandom...strangely, not that strange.

Seriously, we don't need a "cognitive neuroscientist" to explain that.

I think the final lesson in all this is: Fuck not with fandom for it will totally pwn your ass.


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[info]me_llamo_nic wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 01:35 am (UTC)
Hey! Staying in and watching off-the-air cult fantasy TV shows is cool, dammit!

Fuck yeah! *nods*

Cause every community looks a little strange from the outside.

*nods again*

People have a desire to create. This isn't weird or unusual or anything that needs to be explained as if it were abnormal.

*nods a third time*

Fuck not with fandom for it will totally pwn your ass.

*transforms into nodding bobblehead doll*
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 04:07 am (UTC)
Oh! Fanboy icon! Nice!
[info]urania_calliope wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 02:10 am (UTC)
I recently let it drop to one of my co-workers that I was into writing fanfic. Her response was "Huh, really? You're... You're not into that slash stuff right?"

I wonder why that's the weird part to her.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 04:08 am (UTC)
Well, you know. Writing about fictional characters doing fictional stuff is normal. But writing about gay fictional characters...that's just wacky.
[info]henriettaholden wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 03:00 am (UTC)
Holy shit storm batman. I just got caught up, and one of my minors has been media communication, specifically new media and social networking. Cannot believe this, I'm going over the screenshots now. I'm kinda having a moment of 'I can't belive this happened, I have no words'.

Side note: A friend and I wrote a sequel to our favourite books when we were eleven and twelve. And my highschool friends and I wrote about the boys in our Maths class turning into dwaves.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 04:09 am (UTC)
Isn't it insane? My favorite part is when they insisted on using the term "shemale" because it's what's used in porn. There's no words for the idiocy.
[info]henriettaholden wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC)
Oh my god it just gets worse. Reading the comments he made in rebuttal to fandom's questions, its just fail fail fail.
To quote from one comment "When men read books, they want action."

The use of such flippancy when discussing transexualism angered me to the point of blind rage but that line just there really gets me.

As a creative writing major, we're studying the publishing industry in depth, and I think that quote just broke my brain once and for all. It's the equivalent of saying WHEN MONKEYS EAT, THEY WANT BANANAS. The stereotyping these 'scientists' attempted to perpetuate makes me so mad. I know how the publishing industry works and how they pitched this book to Penguin in order to successfully get their lucrative book deal. How many people, other than Dumb and Dumber, okayed this? The lit agent and publisher HAVE to be second guessing what the book is going to contain.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 06:06 am (UTC)
Yeah, I always raise an eyebrow at any argument that complex behaviors or preferences are hardwired. Especially when it's argued along gender lines.

Unfortunately, books that perpetuate gender roles and stereotypes are popular ("Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus", anyone?). These guys cooked up a shiny new idea about those crazy gals who write about gay man sex and ran with it. They apparently didn't expect those crazy gals to go, "Huh? What? Dude, no!"
[info]ladyofthelog wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 05:28 am (UTC)
It's a hot mess.

I don't know if you've seen [info]rm's responses in the comments, but she really said everything I would have and better.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 06:07 am (UTC)
Yeah, she said it well.
[info]waddis wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 06:31 am (UTC)
I had this huge post planned out to offer, in many more words than necessary, a ditto to this post.

Instead, I'll just say that I've always enjoyed nerdy things. It's cycled in and out over the years, but sci-fi (in all its media) and video games have always been at the forefront, followed by things like DnD and fandom.

And regarding popular, conception, I'll just say this. I don't like people.

So I don't invest a lot of thought into how people perceive that. And it's not the nice kind of "well, you know, I just like what I like." It's more like I don't give a crap.

I'm a nerd with teeth.

You put it more academically, of course.

And it occurs that I still used more words than necessary.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 07:02 pm (UTC)
rofl. Life is a lot easier when you realize that it really doesn't matter what other people think of you. Because, odds are, they're too busy being worried about what others think of them.

Topsy-turvy world.
[info]lavastar wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 12:20 am (UTC)
Because, odds are, they're too busy being worried about what others think of them.

Haha, that's totally from Earshot. Everything I needed to know from life I learned from Buffy, and for every life situation there is an appropriate Buffy quote.


Like I was discussing with someone about whether it's right to let, um, THAT GUY (don't actually follow the news that closely to have more than cursory knowledge) who was put in jail for allegedly bombing a plane (allegedly cause they're still not sure he did it), anyway, to let him out of jail since he got prostate cancer and has three months to live, which they did. And I was restraining myself just BARELY from going "Forgiveness is an act of compassion, Buffy, it's not done because people deserve it, it's done because they need it." THIS CLOSE.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 12:56 am (UTC)
I would pay you money to have said that during that conversation. *not lying*
[info]lavastar wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 01:10 am (UTC)
I know, right? The thing is, it was so much more tempting knowing that I could say it and just remove the "Buffy" and make it a stealth!Buffy quote. But alas, I did not.


[info]speakr2customrs wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 09:36 am (UTC)
Fandom is perfectly described by Kiss in 'Crazy Nights'; they were singing about the Heavy Rock fandom but it works for us all.

And they try to tell us that we don't belong
But that's alright, we're millions strong


We lie below the surface, almost invisible, and are often overlooked - but if someone pokes us with a stick the water erupts in fury, suddenly it turns out that all those floating pieces of wood are actually crocodiles, and we bite your leg off.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 07:02 pm (UTC)
Best. Description. Ever.
[info]lavastar wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 12:21 am (UTC)
...Iiiiii kind of love you know, just for that crocodile description. KIND OF LOVE YOU.
[info]lavastar wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 12:21 am (UTC)
kind of love you NOW. I can speak!!
[info]elfwreck wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 05:36 pm (UTC)
This post has been included in a linkspam roundup.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 07:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, nifty. :)
[info]codeman38 wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 06:51 pm (UTC)
But then I look at the dude who obsessively collects Dallas Cowboy memorabilia, paints himself silver and blue to visit Cowboy games, can effortlessly cite every past game and statistic about the team EVER, and has a light-hearted collection of player bobble-heads in his dining room. And...yeah, I don't get that.

As someone doing graduate studies at a very football-obsessed university but having very little interest in football himself... WORD.

Seriously, why is sports fandom of that extent considered to be socially acceptable, while fandom for movies, TV shows, cartoons, etc., is not? That is what I've never really understood.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 07:06 pm (UTC)
Heh. I had a good friend who was sports-obsessed. Always watching the stuff. Knew the most random trivia. Had collectible miniatures and a bunch of other stuff. Did fantasy football and betting pools and god knows what else. Just...his entire life was devoted to various sports teams. I thought it was nuts.

So why doesn't anyone check his brain to see how weird it is? I'm just puzzled as to why media fandom is considered the "deviant" one. Cause of the smut? Cause...yeah...interest in sex is so unnatural among humans.

The whole debacle just amuses me to no end.

Oh, and props to the Osaka icon. :)
[info]codeman38 wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 07:15 pm (UTC)
It puzzles me as well. It's deviant to go to a fan convention and dress up in costume as Edward Elric or Ranma Saotome-- even if one has no interest in the smutty side of fandom whatsoever-- but going to a stadium and painting "GO DAWGS" on one's chest while shouting loudly at guys on the field is perfectly acceptable? It's a strange universe.

I would seriously love to just pull an absurdist prank and wander amongst the football crowds on campus in some sort of anime cosplay just to see the utterly confused reactions. Alas, being the shy creature that I am (particularly amongst drunken football crowds), I probably never will...
[info]lavastar wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 12:22 am (UTC)
No, cause we're mostly girls and they're mostly guys and guys can do no wrong, didn't you know?
[info]nonothrthnme wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
I came here via [info]henriettaholden and just wanted to say that I laughed til I cried.

omigod

and all the transexual focus - from out of who knowswhere - whowsa! what a Freudian slip. Naughty psuedo neuro-scientists, I think somebody needs a spankin from their Mister(ess) BWAH!!!

"Fuck not with fandom for it will totally pwn your ass" needs be on a tee, hun, it really does!!
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 09:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, these guys are definitely missing the point of fandom. They seem to think it's all about the mansex or something, when that's just one part of it. And...transexual porn? Just...really? I boggle. No. Really. I boggle. And then to be absolutely offensive and use "shemale" (and previously using "tranny")...

These dudes just fail. REALLY hard.
[info]nonothrthnme wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 10:19 pm (UTC)
Given that inappropriate language, and the content of the survey, it makes me wonder how hard they were masturbating while coming up with the questions too, which weren't even up to Nancy Friday calibre (sadsadsad). It's like being called up by the neighbourhood perv and having him ask you your bra size - for scientific purposes! srsly!

yeah, I'm sure somebody's neurological responses were being "measured" at the time, and it wasn't the peeps answering the absurd questions. sounds more like ewwwwwww to me . So much fail *hands them a tissue*
[info]penny_lane_42 wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 09:58 pm (UTC)
I followed the beginning of the whole thing--the start of the fallout, but I'm sure a ton has happened in the last few days while I was away from the internet, so I can't wait to catch up (I'm sure all the fans out there are being totally awesome and snarky and smart and witty, because when things like this happen, that's what fans do, and I love it).

Anyways, word to this entire post. I could not agree more.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 11:14 pm (UTC)
Indeed. It's been very, very amusing. I think some fans went a bit too far in their protests...but that's part of fandom, too. :)
[info]penny_lane_42 wrote:
Sep. 6th, 2009 11:45 pm (UTC)
Oh, no doubt--that always happens. But still, my jaw keeps dropping one second and then I'm laughing out loud the next, and all in all, it makes for good entertainment.

I hatehatehate being involved in drama, but for some reason, I could watch it unfold for other people all day.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 7th, 2009 12:24 am (UTC)
Yeah, I do have a bit of an attraction to watching drama. I like to say it's an intellectual interest in the social dynamics of fandom and how they play out...

But I think it's something slightly less...um...thinky. It all just amuses me.
[info]lavastar wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
Seriously, this is one of those situations that is SOOO very appalling and disgusting and disturbing and WTF that I don't know whether to cry, beat the fuck out of these people, go into a dark cave and silently hate humanity, or just laugh and laugh and laugh.

I'm thinking a mixture of anger and laughing is what's going to keep me sane, and clinging to my belief that most sane people aren't this fail.

Cause not getting the fandom community if you've never been in it? Okay. Using some inappropriate and derogatory terms? Annoying and dumb, but okay. But not getting the fandom community, using some inappropriate and derogatory terms, while doing a survey for a supposedly professional study, when you SHOULD have researched the community beforehand in the first place? And failing at ethical survey taking so hard, and refusing to listen to or understand people's criticisms, and then justifying it by saying you don't even care about this community, you're doing this survey to study women's crazy ass brains anyways?

THAT'S a fail.

Ergh. Not that anyone following this didn't know all that, but I'm in a pissy mood right now. *stomps around*

And, omigod, I read in comments that they'd used tranny, but you have got to be fucking joking me. SHEMALE?? I mean, WTF, no one but crap porn and major transphobes use that.


And seriously, the whole general societal idea that nerds and geeks are soooo strange, and that us chicks hanging around writing and reading smut is sooo strange, is just dumb. Because it's like you said - everyone's got their own weird thing. It's just luck of privilege of the general group and whether the majority of people find your activity weird as to whether you get othered or you get awesomed by most of society.

And as someone once said - calling me a nerd as an insult is just saying, "Oh, you freak, you enjoy things. And like being challenged intellectually." Like...huh?
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 12:59 am (UTC)
Word.

It's just dire. I'm honestly not sure what their angle was. They have a book deal already done up with an expected release in 2010. I can tell you, as I work in publishing, that that book is already finished. This survey thing is just to manufacture some numbers to support conclusions they've already drawn and written up. And I have a feeling that those conclusions fall along the lines of, "These girls read icky smutty sex stuff. They're so weird! Their brains...we must dissect them. For science!"

And...I'm sorry the "shemale" thing still boggles me. There's just no excuse. They defended their use of the term even after people called them on it. Just...wow.
[info]lavastar wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 01:15 am (UTC)
Exactly. And the thing that gets me the most is the horrific idea that someone who hasn't heard of Surveyfail will go out and buy their book and go, "Huh, that's true, I will now go off and think these girls are weird and should be shunned for important biological reasons."

And that they got their numbers for it. Which they get to use, whether or not probably like everyone who took it is now going, "Wait...crap. Your survey sucks, I take it back." Which is like condoning their behavior but without the actual thinking-it's-good part. Bleck.


Seriously...shemale? Boggling indeed. I haven't heard anything that blatantly transphobic in awhile, although I'm sure I would if I were trans or got out into nonaccepting circles more.

Sometimes I wonder if it's good for my sanity that I generally stick to my bubble of cool accepting people or whether I should be exposing myself to dumb behavior so that I remember it's out there. And then sometimes it's just nice to pretend that the world's a nicer place than it is, and fandom's usually a good hidey hole for that.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 01:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, I tend to stick with people who agree with me and are cool with my "deviant" lifestyle. Personally, I don't feel much need to purposely branch out, though I end up doing so anyway just in going to class and such. Even then, sociology...very liberal field.

I think if you have a nice, safe and friendly place, then there's no harm in staying there. Because you know the rest of the world isn't like that, and you're gonna pick up on that in various ways (reading the news, meeting new people, dumb researchers bumbling into fandom). It happens.
[info]lavastar wrote:
Sep. 8th, 2009 11:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. For awhile I felt like it was My Duty to attempt to educate everyone I meet, or go out of my way to Make People Get It, but most of the time, it's just not worth it. And there's a nice type of people who I adore, who are the "I don't really know everything about gay people and may not be accepting everything but I am generally cool with it" - I like them. It's nice to find one of those among the random moderate people that I somehow stumble upon occasionally.

I always feel like kind of a jerk for thinking so, but in general? I feel way more comfortable hanging out with queer guys and girls than straight ones. I mean, I do have close straight friends, and I would never be like "OH, YOU ARE STRAIGHT, I WILL NOT BE YOUR FRIEND", but...it would be lying to say there's not a difference in vibe between hanging with a group of straight girls and a group of queer ones.

And while one of the great great things about fandom is that it's practically impossible to find someone who's homophobic due to the amount of women and the slashiness, and I love hanging with teh straight girls who get it - it's nice to have a bi homegirl on my flist. :D
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